20:04:15 #startmeeting 20:04:15 Meeting started Tue Mar 6 20:04:15 2012 UTC. The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:04:15 20:04:15 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:04:24 welcome to the EMEA today 20:04:37 thanks for coming and well work our way through the list as they are on the wiki page 20:04:47 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA 20:05:23 first up is jo-erlend as redmar isn';t here 20:05:31 * trijntje is redmar 20:05:37 trijntje: ahh ok 20:05:40 trijntje: start again so 20:05:58 #topic trijntje Membership 20:06:04 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/redmar 20:06:11 trijntje: thanks for coming along 20:06:28 hi! 20:06:34 trijntje: so care to tell us about yourself ? 20:07:20 sure. I'm a student from the Netherlands, I've been using ubuntu since Gutsy and my main involvement with ubuntu is with the Dutch Translation Team and helping people via IRC 20:08:17 trijntje: so how do you feel the Ubuntu community has grown in that time ? 20:08:54 trijntje: are you involved with any LoCo activities? Have you ever participated in any local translation events before? 20:09:06 I'm not sure about the wider community, since the first few years I only followed the loco team 20:09:53 when I first started translating the dutch team had just been revived by cumulus007 after being dead for a couple of years, so there has been a lot of improvement there 20:10:28 I have participated in a number of online 'translation sprints', but I've not been to any local events in person 20:10:30 trijntje: if you could change any one thing in the translation community, what would that be? 20:10:39 (or even Ubuntu, if you like) 20:11:55 We do get quite a number of people who want to join the team, but never really follow through to become a full member. It would be nice if that changed, but I'm not sure how 20:12:35 We've tried a number of things like appointing a mentor for new translators, but that didn't really help 20:12:37 trijntje: spammed this channel, so I thought I'd join 20:12:57 probably it's just the fact that translating is hard work, and there is alway's more of it ;) 20:13:25 thanks trijntje 20:13:27 nods 20:13:32 FireBeard, feel free to tell us about trijntje if you have anything to say or to praise him or so :) 20:13:55 nah, he just said that you guys were debating him, and asked us to watch 20:14:07 I'm here for a possible trainwreck ;) 20:14:17 haha 20:14:20 :) 20:14:23 heh, great 20:14:27 ok are we ready to vote folks 20:14:29 * ogra_ is ready to vote 20:14:31 nice testimonals btw 20:14:44 ++ 20:14:52 I don't know trijntje all that well, he did help me once or twice, when I had a question tho 20:14:53 thanks, though I did not write them ;) 20:14:57 #voters ogra_ iulian highvoltage drubin czajkowski 20:14:57 Current voters: czajkowski drubin highvoltage iulian ogra_ 20:15:01 +1 20:15:03 Wait a bit, please. 20:15:04 +1 20:15:04 Bleh. 20:15:07 #vote please vote on trijntje membership 20:15:07 Please vote on: please vote on trijntje membership 20:15:07 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:15:10 * iulian was wirint something. 20:15:12 iulian: ok 20:15:18 +1 20:15:18 +1 received from drubin 20:15:20 +1 20:15:20 +1 received from czajkowski 20:15:23 +1 from me anyway. 20:15:23 +1 from me anyway. received from iulian 20:15:36 +1 [ good translation effort, good testimonial from peers ] 20:15:36 +1 [ good translation effort, good testimonial from peers ] received from highvoltage 20:15:55 ogra_: you can vote now you voted before I called the vote :)_ 20:16:04 +1 20:16:04 +1 received from ogra_ 20:16:07 +1 20:16:17 #endvote 20:16:17 Voting ended on: please vote on trijntje membership 20:16:17 Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:16:17 Motion carried 20:16:21 6 really 20:16:23 :) 20:16:26 stgraber: welcome :) 20:16:27 :) 20:16:31 trijntje: welcome aboard 20:16:33 o/ redmar 20:16:35 welcome aboard trijntje 20:16:37 \0/ 20:16:40 czajkowski: 20:02 * stgraber waves 20:16:41 thanks a lot! 20:16:44 czajkowski: :) 20:16:56 #topic jo-erlend membership 20:16:57 trijntje, congrats \o/ :) 20:16:58 congratulations trijntje 20:17:02 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoErlendSchinstad 20:17:10 I'm ready to vote 20:17:21 * ogra_ too, but i have one question though 20:17:23 you already voted, didn't you? 20:17:34 jo-erlend: thanks for coming 20:17:39 "it's better to drown your sorrows than teach them how to swim" 20:17:42 thanks for having me. :) 20:17:48 jo-erlend, in what do you drown them usually ? 20:17:50 met ? 20:18:19 * ogra_ thinks thats one of these candidates where we all think "huh, he isnt a member yet" ? 20:18:25 glad to witnessed this, bye 20:18:40 ogra_: indeed. 20:18:47 ogra_, hehe, that depends on the situation. :) 20:18:52 * stgraber is ready to vote 20:18:58 jo-erlend: What situation? :) 20:19:06 * iulian too. 20:19:49 jo-erlend: so recently you've been rather vocal on the unity mailing list, do you think being a member will make you step back a bit before you reply sometimes and possibly think more about the CoC and the fact you're an Ubutnu member? 20:20:35 Personally I think it's better for someone to step over the line a bit now and again than be afraid to speak up and participate. 20:20:37 czajkowski, I try to consider the CoC in any case. I don't always succeed, but I do take it seriously, or I wouldn't have signed it. 20:21:00 hmm ok 20:21:11 Fair enough. 20:21:32 jo-erlend: how do you see your role in the community growning ? 20:21:34 if you look at the large number of debates I've participated in, I think you'll find that I hardly ever loose my cool. And when I do, I have no fear of apologizing for it afterwards. 20:22:41 It's also really easy for someone to read something into an email that isn't even there. 20:22:43 czajkowski, my involvement with askubuntu won't be reduced. I've recently taken over as a contact for the Norwegian loco, and I'm just beginning to connect to different news media 20:22:59 ok 20:23:22 anyother questions or comments folks? 20:23:30 nope 20:23:32 I've seen calm conversations on lists between people I know and then I have someone else who reads it who comes to my desk and say "omg did you see that flameware on ubuntu-devel!?"... and then I explain to them that it's not that at all, and it's easier to tell when you know the people somewhat. 20:23:35 I'm getting more serious about my work with support, documentation and ... PR. But I'm also working more on code now. 20:24:27 #voters ogra_ iulian drubin highvoltage stgraber czajkowski 20:24:27 Current voters: czajkowski drubin highvoltage iulian ogra_ stgraber 20:24:34 +1 20:24:39 +1 20:24:43 +1 20:24:47 wait!!!! 20:24:59 #vote please vote on jo-erlend application 20:24:59 Please vote on: please vote on jo-erlend application 20:24:59 Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) 20:25:02 hehe, that's just #voters, it's not #vote yet ;) 20:25:03 +1 20:25:03 +1 received from stgraber 20:25:09 +1 20:25:09 +1 received from czajkowski 20:25:09 +1 20:25:09 +1 received from highvoltage 20:25:11 Oh, blimey. 20:25:11 +1 20:25:11 +1 received from iulian 20:25:15 +1 [no comment ...] 20:25:15 +1 [no comment ...] received from ogra_ 20:25:29 +1 20:25:29 +1 received from drubin 20:25:44 #endvote 20:25:44 Voting ended on: please vote on jo-erlend application 20:25:44 Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 20:25:44 Motion carried 20:25:48 huzzah 20:25:51 welcome aboard 20:25:57 finally ... welcome jo-erlend 20:25:57 thanks! \o/ 20:26:01 Congrats, jo-erlend. 20:26:02 jo-erlend: congratulations and welcome 20:26:08 o/ jo-erlend 20:26:09 congrats jo-erlend, your wiki page made me jalous ;) 20:26:16 congrats jo-erlend 20:26:22 czajkowski: Next one please. 20:26:27 andl also trijntje 20:26:29 #topic heartsmagic membership application 20:26:33 iulian: patience 20:26:43 #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/heartsmagic 20:27:07 heartsmagic: welcome and thanks for coming to the meeting 20:27:12 thank you 20:27:26 Welcome heartsmagic. 20:28:31 heartsmagic: so care to tell us about you and your role in the ubuntu community ? 20:29:50 my name is serkan and ı am 32 years old. I have been managing Ubuntu Turkey Loco team as I stated for many years with my friends. I think this is the biggest role for me in the Ubuntu community 20:30:33 we have some subgroups, I am trying to keep them alive 20:30:56 hmm, if you are leading the LoCO there was nobody wanting to write a testimonial for you ? 20:31:05 heartsmagic: does the loco team have a website or list of accomplishments? 20:31:12 heartsmagic: is it an official loco? 20:31:26 #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-tr/events/history 20:31:38 ogra_, honostly I dint tell them 20:32:03 ooh, you should have done ... testimonials weight a lot in our decision process 20:32:06 highvoltage, we don't keep a list like that, and we are not an *official* loco team right now 20:32:07 heartsmagic: It's an important step for you. I think that you should've. 20:33:00 sure, but there is not any testimonials right now, sorry 20:34:23 heartsmagic: we do look at how people interact with the community not just their loco 20:34:32 is there someone else who could vouch for you? 20:34:56 (how about bytan who leads the loco with you) 20:35:08 vouch for me? 20:35:21 then who vouch for bytan :) 20:35:23 write a testimonial ... 20:35:25 heartsmagic: loco work is definitely hard work. it's great that you've been keeping up with it over the years 20:35:32 or come to the meeting and praise you etc 20:35:55 czajkowski, I am interacting with community through our Loco 20:36:05 heartsmagic: it's useful for us if we could hear back from other people who have worked with you. they can leave a message under testimonials and also cheer for you in the RMB meetings 20:36:45 heartsmagic: I think it would be better if you could come back at another meeting with some testimonals on your page as it's rather hard now to judge 20:37:02 rather than giving you a -1 its what I would recommend tbh 20:37:25 ogra_: highvoltage stgraber iulian drubin thoughts? 20:37:30 I am for czajkowski's suggestion 20:37:32 * ogra_ agrees 20:37:37 yep 20:37:39 yep 20:37:47 heartsmagic: Also, it would be nice if you could improve your wiki page. 20:37:53 heartsmagic: I dont like turning people donw and discouraging people 20:37:57 I think you heartsmagic is on the right path but hard to judge been reading every thing 20:37:58 again pr :) 20:38:10 but if yo coudl update the wiki page and get testimonals it really would be better to come back then :) 20:38:13 please 20:38:24 * iulian nods. 20:38:29 no I wont i think :) 20:38:36 heartsmagic: Why's that? 20:39:06 I mean if telling how I participate is not enogh for you, I wont insist on being a member 20:39:24 If you don't want to come back to re-apply why would you want to apply in the first place 20:39:25 testimonials is good but musnt be a mandatory 20:39:36 heartsmagic, we are supposed to judge by your interaction with others over the time you worked with the community, if nobody tells us about how you helped them, how should we judge ? 20:39:58 heartsmagic: No, that's the whole point. You should try again. I have to disagree with you on that, testimonials play a very important role. 20:40:00 heartsmagic: Yes but all your work has been working with people not writing code or answering forums or translations so there is no way for us to double check on things 20:40:08 heartsmagic: you don't have to insist. we think you're membership material but we'd like some feedback from the people you have worked with. unfortunately the ubuntu project is too big for us to know everyone personally, so we can't instictively know what you have done in the past. 20:40:28 and that's standard procedure for every singly person who has applied for membership before. 20:40:31 I got it, but you asked why 20:40:40 heartsmagic, testimonials are not mandatory, but your wikipage doesnt really list much we can checkm the wikipage of your locoteam neither etc 20:40:53 heartsmagic: ok, it's up to you though. thanks for joining the meeting today. 20:41:03 testimonials would weight out the lacking bits for sure 20:41:26 ok your call again 20:41:34 no, yours 20:41:39 give us more info 20:41:47 more info? 20:41:48 and show up in the next meeting 20:41:52 #endmeeting