15:00:57 #startmeeting 15:00:57 Meeting started Thu Feb 9 15:00:57 2012 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 15:00:57 15:00:57 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:01:14 * davidm waves 15:01:20 hey 15:01:20 wow, thats timing :) 15:01:24 [topic] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120209 15:01:51 [topic] Action Items from last meeting 15:01:58 [topic] janimo to look into LibO 15:02:02 lots ;:) 15:02:09 hi 15:02:10 * NCommander looks for mercy on janimo's soul 15:02:22 NCommander, he volunteered ! 15:02:28 indeed I did 15:02:29 dd if=/dev/mercy of=/dev/janimo/soul 15:02:30 hi 15:02:33 I do not (yet) regret it 15:02:50 must have to do with his transylvanian inheritance :) 15:02:50 janimo: yet being the operative word here 15:03:39 true. I am looking at this now on the panda. If you'll see me curse these days, it's because I've been where NCommander has been before 15:03:56 * NCommander needs a t-shirt 15:04:11 * ogra_ doesnt want to go there ... evar ! 15:04:18 "I braved the depths of hell^W Libreoffice and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" 15:04:39 though, mono is broken too 15:04:44 * ogra_ hides 15:04:47 [action] ogra_ to debug mono 15:04:47 * meetingology ogra_ to debug mono 15:04:49 Ok 15:04:50 done 15:04:51 lol 15:05:08 * ogra_ looks for that rock and brick he collected before 15:05:21 janimo: anything else to report or can I move on? 15:05:27 no really?mono broken on arm? impossible, I hear a company bases it's business on it not being broken on arm. You are all lying 15:05:39 lol 15:05:42 NCommander, nope I hope I'll make progress till next meeting 15:05:50 but I ave started on it 15:05:51 * NCommander thinks we've lost janimo to the madness already 15:06:02 thats the winter 15:06:17 [topic] dannf to tidy up a kernel package for armada 15:06:19 being locked in at -20°C does weird things to you 15:06:38 ogra_: I lived in a mountian town like that. I'm still perfectly sane 15:06:45 LOL 15:06:49 LOLOLOLOL 15:06:54 NCommander: done afaik 15:07:00 * ogra_ cleans coffee from his kbd 15:07:17 dannf: indeed, we're working on havinga kernel today (to be reported on later) 15:07:29 * GrueMaster had coffee shoot up his nose, laughing so hard. 15:07:52 ogra_: GrueMaster oh you guys suck 15:08:03 :D 15:08:03 [topic] infinity to pull said kernel package into d-i 15:08:17 is infinity even here ? 15:08:33 ogra_, I heard he planned on snorting coke a few hours ago 15:08:37 No, but I thinkthis is a c/ogivenwestilldon't have an uploadedkernel 15:08:38 yeah 15:08:42 * NCommander smacks his spacebar 15:09:18 Hey wtf! I thought meeting starts at 20:00 UTC >.< 15:09:27 No fair I sezzit 15:09:45 the ARM meeting never ever started at 20UTC 15:10:16 We'll be having the usual IRC meeting on #ubuntu-meeting, on 15:10:16 Thursday 2011-02-09 at 15:00 UTC. 15:10:41 * NCommander would be very happy if the meeting was at 20:00 UTC but :-P 15:10:51 [topic] janimo or GrueMaster to test the mx5 kernel from jcrigby 15:10:54 * ogra_ wouldnt 15:11:13 Done. Latest images have the new mx5 kernel 15:11:24 Either I'm confusing something or... Well I'm here for the first time, buuut: http://i.imm.io/gbSI.png 15:11:41 [topic] Standing Items 15:11:49 Still fails on START-R rev board. USB issues. 15:12:16 theadmin: wrong meeting. This is the ARM development team meeting, not IRC council 15:12:35 NCommander: Ah, pardon me then. ARM is cool, I'll listen in if you don't mind? 15:12:38 I tested the kernel it was ok, people uploaded it then 15:12:51 [topic] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html 15:12:56 * janimo answered late on previous topic 15:13:03 Well 15:13:05 ... 15:13:18 The items are increasing 15:13:28 I think we fail 15:13:40 huh ? 15:13:43 * GrueMaster is too sleepy to comment on futility. 15:13:45 we look better than ever 15:14:10 slightly below trend (if it would be in the right angle) 15:14:12 ogra_: we're supposed to close items, not add half-a-million new closed items 15:14:28 nothing changed over the last week 15:14:29 THATS NOT HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET ON THE TRENDLINE 15:14:32 * NCommander screams 15:14:36 * ogra_ wonmders what you are referring to= 15:14:50 ogra_: madness 15:14:58 [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander) 15:15:00 there were no items added 15:15:03 So, I've got news! 15:15:09 Can anyone change topic or what... 15:15:12 [topic] tests 15:15:17 Guess not :D 15:15:25 I saved a bunch of money changing my insurance! 15:15:26 Sorry, getting used to things 15:15:36 theadmin, please dont interfere with the meeting 15:15:39 But I also have ARM server news 15:15:52 ogra_: Understood. 15:15:53 armadaxp finally has a usable kernel git tree 15:16:00 theadmin, NCommander is the meeting chairt, only the chair can change topics and we try to keep the meeting short 15:16:14 NCommander, great 15:16:21 yay 15:16:38 Using my gitified marvell patches, cooloney made them less crack, then we ported the Marvell sauce onto the oneiric tree 15:16:38 \o/ 15:16:50 So we went from 3.0.15->3.0.17 with Marvell 15:17:04 We'll now track oneiric-updates, so we'll have security and updates for Armada until oneiric goes EOL 15:17:06 wow, two micro versions ! 15:17:10 enormous 15:17:26 :P 15:17:47 ogra_: it wasn't a small job, the tree we got was based off an ubuntu tree of unknown origin, which required a ton of patch sorting and fun 15:17:48 Are there any plans to bring it up to precise? 15:18:11 Or will it stay based on oneiric indefinitely? 15:18:14 rbasak: Marvell has been told that weneed a 3.2 kernel. We won't be doing the work to port it 15:18:28 OK, thanks 15:18:43 rbasak: the armadaxp kernel will go into precise, its simply tracking oneiric since there tree is on the same major as oneiric's 15:18:53 Right 15:19:57 Unlessa 3.2 kernel magically materializes before release, armada xp will be a universe supported flavor 15:20:23 even though the kernel package will live somewhere else :) 15:20:26 infinity and I are making the necessary demonic sacirifices to get d-i to work properly like that with netboot images 15:20:37 ogra_: no, the kernel going in universe, we decided to fix d-i 15:20:38 NCommander, the kernel will go to main 15:20:47 we have approval and all 15:20:50 we did? 15:20:52 *do 15:20:54 Damn 15:20:54 no d-i hacjking required 15:21:02 we weren't goingto hijack d-i 15:21:05 unless that changed since tuesday 15:21:13 d-i was simply going to pull in the universe udebs during the buildstep 15:21:30 but we got approval for unsupported kernel in main, then yay 15:21:43 we have release team approval, the kernel package will be in main, but unsupported and not in the manifest 15:21:48 oh 15:21:49 NCommander, kernel in main 15:21:52 davidm: awesome 15:22:00 That makes life insanely less complicated 15:22:09 (if you would read the team reports you would know btw :P ) 15:22:42 NCommander, although d-i supporting universe kernels would have been useful in the future for other flavours 15:22:47 or for current mx53 15:22:48 Anyway, I'm shacking loosing the last of the packaging bugs (linux-armadaxp tried to build on amd64 for one) 15:23:06 But we should see an upload into NEW byEOD today or tomorrow 15:23:08 NCommander: how soon do we expect a kernel in main? 15:23:18 janimo, thats super tricky since there (flasely) is a way to get rid of unwanted udebs by moving them to universe ... 15:23:28 mahmoh: once it is approved from NEW, it goes into universe. Just needs a MIR to promote 15:23:32 janimo, making d-i universe aware would break a lot through that 15:23:46 ogra_, I am not arguing it is tricky to accomplish, but it is useful :) 15:24:06 janimo: its probably easier to get release/kernel team blessings to dump an unsupported kernel in main 15:24:49 janimo, yes, but we would have to fix that broken concept alongside 15:24:54 NCommander, but then it means it is supported. Are there no cases to want it unoficcially supported but workng with d-i. Is netinstall not such a use case? 15:25:02 else we break x86 stuff 15:25:12 which is not wanted before an LTS 15:25:12 janimo: I proposed the solution of rm -r universe 15:25:29 janimo: historically, we've had a few packages inmain that are unsupported 15:25:37 NCommander, I can get behind such a command 15:25:37 linux-ports being the poster child for that trope 15:26:03 * GrueMaster wonders if this is a topic for Kernel Status? 15:26:12 [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) 15:26:14 Right 15:26:14 ok 15:26:36 I think we pretty muchcovered the current kernel status 15:26:46 Anything else to bring up 15:26:53 ac100 new test deb based on a 3.0.19 upstream advertised on the ac100 ml 15:26:58 janimo has a new ac100 kernel coming :) 15:27:11 and mx5 seems sorted 15:27:14 * NCommander just got an armel/powerpc FTBFS on linux-armadaxp 15:27:16 once marvin puts it in his stable, not exp branch 15:27:17 WOOO 15:27:24 Packaging needs to be hit with a brick 15:27:32 yeah 15:27:35 NCommander, I would have been more worried if that build succeeded 15:27:44 mx5 kernel still needs work. It still doesn't support USB on the newer rev board. 15:27:46 janimo: its still running on i386 >.>; 15:27:52 and even more if it worked :) 15:28:08 GrueMaster, dont use USB then :P 15:28:21 * ogra_ hides behind a chair 15:28:22 * NCommander facepalms 15:28:25 GrueMaster, we should get a 3.2 mx5 kernel sometime, this is 3.1 . 15:28:29 For a desktop image not to use keyboard/mouse...difficult. 15:28:34 pfft 15:28:38 be creative ! 15:28:44 write a script 15:28:54 use your soldering skills ... its a dev board after all 15:29:05 oem-config doesn't use preseed other wise I would. 15:29:16 ^- ogra_ 15:29:21 Care to fix that? :-) 15:29:35 And I refuse to molest any of my stock dev boards. 15:29:55 NCommander, yes, after FF 15:29:58 its tasked 15:30:09 cool 15:30:10 Soldering iron == bad touch. 15:30:21 try the other side :P 15:30:24 ew 15:30:31 [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) 15:30:39 libo is broken 15:30:42 mono is broken 15:30:49 four letter words are broken 15:30:53 given back empathy anf gnome-games on armhf 15:30:55 No, say it isn't so.... 15:31:01 armel is still waiting for the fixed mesa to build 15:31:10 janimo: package name? I'll rescore 15:31:14 upstart seems to need some love 15:31:25 NCommander, waiting for build to finish, it has started 8 h ago 15:31:31 finished in 1h:30 on armhf 15:31:38 and indeed qtwebkit 15:31:42 we need more pandas in the build center 15:31:51 janimo: ow 15:32:10 well, all images failed due to empathy/gnome-games 15:32:27 (but thats for a later topic) 15:32:30 due to mesa egl not providing some deps 15:32:37 so not actually a change in those gnome apps 15:32:42 movingon 15:32:45 [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) 15:33:03 awww, did they switcfh them to clutter ? 15:33:08 well, all images failed due to empathy/gnome-games 15:33:10 :) 15:33:16 ogra_, I think gnome games has been using clutter for a long time 15:33:19 * ogra_ likes his "up" key 15:33:21 empathy, no idea. 15:33:25 k 15:33:33 we should test performance then 15:33:37 empathy uses every technology 15:33:47 GrueMaster, can you do a quick check with your next desktop tests ? 15:33:55 just to see if they are still usable 15:34:00 Check what? 15:34:06 (i.e. play mahjongg for 5 min) 15:34:23 WHAT?!?!? Me play a game??? 15:34:25 not sure how to test empathy 15:34:29 * GrueMaster shuders 15:34:36 you could try a voip call or so 15:34:38 I think we should drop games altogether and let people use games in their browser 15:34:44 ++ 15:34:49 tell that to -desktop though 15:34:53 GrueMaster: try playing Skyrim with qemu-user-i386 + wine on ARM 15:35:00 Yea, I'll check them 15:35:09 NCommander, qemu-x86 wont run 15:35:11 Erm, no. 15:35:24 well if I was in charge I'd drop empathy too and the whole telepathy baggage 15:35:25 threading issues i was told by linaro 15:35:26 Alien Arena on panda might be interesting though. 15:35:26 but I am not 15:35:31 cant make it work 15:35:43 well, thats all about images i had :) 15:36:09 nethack works great on ARM, what other game do you need? 15:36:23 Zork works too. 15:36:30 * NCommander does wish Dwarf Fortress was opensource so he could 1. package it 2.compile it on ARM 15:36:31 Just saying. 15:36:32 well, wait until nethack gets switched to clutter too 15:36:40 ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH\ 15:36:46 HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 15:36:49 upstream has funny ideas lately 15:37:00 to clutter the world etc 15:38:30 nethack too works in a browser I hear 15:38:43 we need less apps in the image, so we have fewer bugs 15:38:45 :) 15:38:49 haha 15:38:53 NCommander, move ? 15:39:04 [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) 15:39:10 Spot tested 20120207.1 desktop armhf images yesterday. mx5 had a few issues (HDMI addon board had it confused, and START-R still doesn't see USB). 15:39:40 Also worked up a few scripts to start testing on arm server (LAMP, Ruby on Rails, suspend/resume). 15:40:44 Tested the 3.0.17 kernel on armadaxp. The Marvell patches do something wacky to mmap, it fails to allocate above 2900M. 15:41:16 That bug was fixed in all other arm kernels (bug 861296). 15:41:18 Launchpad bug 861296 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296 15:42:20 Starting to dive into power meter testing today/tomorrow. Hope to have some data starting next week. 15:42:56 Not much else to report. Just lots of work going on. 15:43:03 http://image.img-erento.com/20171/5073643_dia_2.jpg 15:43:09 power meter testing ? 15:43:16 [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti) 15:43:26 * rsalveti waves 15:43:40 Using a power meter to measure system amp load while running. 15:43:46 we're all busy at connect mostly this week 15:44:06 but we worked on helping fixing a bunch of multiarch related packages 15:44:26 and the cross buildd is almost ready, just fixing the web interface to be easy to use 15:44:40 GrueMaster, i was referring to the pic :) 15:44:56 another good thing is that riku is now working on trying to get libreoffice to build and work for armhf 15:45:14 * ogra_ humps rsalveti's leg 15:45:15 NCommander: just make sure you send everything you had in the past 15:45:21 if you didn't do it already 15:45:24 So, another duplication of effort? Great. 15:45:36 GrueMaster, no, a handover 15:45:38 not duplication, we're working together on this 15:45:41 rsalveti: you have a time machine? 15:45:52 :-) 15:46:28 meanwhile steve is working on ruby and haskell I believe 15:46:40 but it's probably not critical for the desktop 15:47:10 should have a better report next week, once connect is done :-) 15:47:17 but that's mostly it 15:47:28 I asked the freescale LT to fix the imx53 3.2 kernel 15:47:31 we'll see how it goes 15:48:52 questions? 15:49:04 rsalveti, do you know about omap4 sgc for armhf? 15:49:07 omap3 15:49:09 sorry 15:49:17 rsalveti, is anyone ever looking at chromium again ? 15:49:34 janimo: we hope that koen will get this fixed and released soon 15:49:35 i wonder what we should do with it, the binary in the archive is three releases old 15:49:52 rsalveti, ok thanks 15:49:53 I'll talk with him next week, but he was working on getting it available for angstrom 15:50:16 ogra_: if we get a new release, we update 15:50:23 otherwise we'll just kill it for now 15:50:33 anything else 15:50:36 I believe we'll get it at some point, not yet sure for precise 15:50:40 rsalveti, well, there were three (or four) new releases 15:50:46 ogra_: is chromium broken again? 15:50:59 it didnt build since natty 15:51:04 or even before 15:51:25 I remember riku said it was fixed, maybe with debian, will ping him today 15:51:49 .. :-) 15:52:06 i think he only made it cross buildable 15:52:12 it still fails in the archive 15:52:35 well, if it works by cross building it there's hope to have it working natively 15:52:56 right, iirc there were issues with ffmpeg or so 15:53:03 riku will likely know more 15:53:04 #action rsalveti to follow with riku to see if chromium will get fixed 15:53:04 * meetingology rsalveti to follow with riku to see if chromium will get fixed 15:53:19 or micahg ... iirc he took over from riku but gave up 15:53:22 #action rsalveti to follow with koen at ELC to see if we'll get armhf drivers for sgx (omap3) 15:53:22 * meetingology rsalveti to follow with koen at ELC to see if we'll get armhf drivers for sgx (omap3) 15:54:28 [topic] AOB 15:55:03 closing the meeting out in 3 15:55:06 2 15:55:08 1 15:55:11 #endmeeting