20:02:38 #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 20:02:38 Meeting started Wed Feb 1 20:02:38 2012 UTC. The chair is phillw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 20:02:38 20:02:38 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:02:41 easy on him guys 20:02:48 poor phill. 20:02:52 :P 20:02:56 \o/ 20:03:03 o/ 20:03:04 o/ 20:03:08 hi folks! 20:03:12 hi! 20:03:14 \o 20:03:15 Mörgæs o/ 20:03:15 Hi :) 20:03:15 o/ 20:03:18 hi :) 20:03:19 hi not-gilir 20:03:41 #topic previous actions 20:04:03 As Julien is niot here, I'll carry his action over to the next meeting 20:04:33 #topic update from QA 20:04:47 was that the unity/lightdm bug? 20:05:26 The bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/918401 is still there and I have just seen the mailing list suggest things may have gotten worse. 20:05:27 Ubuntu bug 918401 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Unity-greeter installed by default on Lubuntu, crashing on start" [Undecided,Confirmed] 20:05:42 phillw: r u talking about my email? 20:06:11 the one suggesting 100MB of unity updates have appeared. 20:06:16 yeah, ok, bummer that we can't deal with that asap as this new unity issue in alpha 2 is probably going to end up revealing that bug is still there 20:06:31 i.e. i don't think they're related bugs-- but two really nasty ones 20:06:37 so it's a dependency bug 20:06:42 but i guess that's neither here nor there 20:06:54 Are dep bugs hard to fix? 20:07:04 are we talking about this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1918534 20:07:21 Because the only way I see is tracing the train of deps until we find one that references unity. 20:07:28 amjjawad: yes 20:07:38 Guys, the topci is "Update from QA" -- let Phill provide the update :) 20:07:39 wxl: thanks :) 20:07:59 remember that we're going gtk-greeter 20:08:07 michaelrawson: aptitude why unity 20:08:18 There were two builds today, I've got the newer one & will trying it later. 20:08:30 aah 20:08:34 thanks iceroot! 20:08:51 i looked for alpha 2 last night and couldn't find it. where is the iso? 20:09:24 the a2 has not been released yet. We're still on daily build. 20:09:24 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ 20:09:37 phillw: thx 20:09:52 this is what I told the guys on that thread but looks like they insited :/ 20:09:58 anyway, so updates from QA? 20:10:13 insisted* 20:11:13 We still got a bug, and possibly another one has landed. I'll update the bug report, the testing system for QA of isos is progressing. Not much else from the QA team. 20:11:44 #topic Update from IRC OPs 20:12:46 Unit193: is there an update about IRC OPs? 20:13:33 Seems not everyone is in the two new channels, but that coudl be because they haven't been online 20:13:44 Not two new Lubu, just for OPs 20:14:21 new channels just for ops you mean? 20:14:23 _o/ 20:14:36 Well there's one 20:14:46 Myrtti: Anything I'm missing? 20:14:55 Unit193: you said two? and one? um? 20:15:21 wxl: Two new channels for the OPs, but there's one other OP that spoke 20:15:27 well the transition seems to be going well atleast from my viewpoint, we might want to discuss the duplicity of the launchpad groups 20:16:18 Right, one was setup before, and had an easy way to contact other than IRC 20:16:29 From this side it's hit a few bumbs 20:16:43 I'm new to Lubuntu but old to the IRC ops operations so I can help in some regards - don't plan to push my agenda or viewpoints to anyone, I'm here just for fun and giggles 20:18:16 Unit193: do you want to remove the listing we had before we were adopted? 20:18:57 We'll see if it's of any use 20:19:06 I'd suggest no decisions on that is made yet, the issue hasn't been prepared enough to decide either way 20:19:18 okies, anything else to report? 20:20:01 #topic Update from comms team 20:20:50 It has been decided to not go ahead with the interviews with muktah owing to negative comments about their level of professionalism. 20:21:25 We'll get something re-scheduled and put onto ubuntu.net 20:21:36 phillw: so it's final? 20:21:44 nothing with them whatsoever? 20:21:54 yeah. 20:22:00 ok :) 20:22:19 #topic Update from Support 20:22:32 amjjawad: ? 20:22:38 Ok, I already reported that bug about Unity on the mailing list 20:22:42 everyone is informed now :) 20:23:24 another thing is, I have started to recruit new members to my team (support team). Those members are known to be very active on the forum with many years of experience 20:23:36 one of them has already joined today and I'm still looking for more 20:23:48 that sounds great! 20:23:54 excellent :) 20:24:04 One thing I don't understand ... why we keep waiting for some action from UBT? 20:24:35 I mean, can't we make our own beginner team but yet part of them somehow? I see no progress from them for months now??!! 20:25:11 amjjawad: I understand their draft structure will be out before the end of this month. 20:25:27 but we've been heard that many times now? 20:25:38 I had not. 20:25:49 point is, I can be a mentor for Lubuntu beginners users 20:25:53 But I'm chatting to the guy writing it :) 20:25:59 only Lubuntu 20:26:09 I care about Lubuntu the most as all of u know 20:26:14 ;) 20:26:24 amjjawad: which will possibly be a Focus Group. 20:26:30 yes 20:26:33 why not :) 20:27:11 I've been very sick lately and my recovery is really slow. Once I'm fully recovered, I'll start to write a full guide for beginner 20:27:22 then I'll help StephenSmally to write some Docs about LSC :) 20:27:50 amjjawad: take your time & get better. Poorly people are not as efficient as well people! 20:27:58 oh, and wxl has created a group for Lubuntu and both of us are taking care of it https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/ 20:28:07 Ok, i figured out i had to help you, not the reverse XD 20:28:31 phillw: I can't stay clam, u know me :P 20:28:39 StephenSmally: it's the only way with AJ. :P 20:28:46 calm* 20:29:06 okay, Chris is running late this week, so we'll move onto StephenSmally 20:29:10 StephenSmally: yes yes sure :D 20:29:11 everyone should join the group 20:29:18 Here i go 20:29:19 #topic LXLauncher 20:29:20 it's called "LUBUNTU OFFICIAL" 20:29:23 so it is THE ONE 20:29:24 wxl: i'm joining now 20:29:44 Well LxLauncher 20:29:56 o_O 20:30:07 as you probably have seen on the Mailing List, i'm working on a rewrite of LxLauncher 20:30:30 to give you an idea, here a screenshot (two min ago) of lxlauncher (the rewrite) themed with css 20:30:37 http://i40.tinypic.com/bip24y.jpg 20:30:53 now that's cool. 20:30:57 but why the gaps? 20:31:14 Because are category-sorted 20:31:22 ahah. :) 20:31:32 on the right you see the categories (needs some separators), and on the right the apps 20:31:50 in this screenshot is themed a little like gnome shell 20:32:03 but every theme is possible, since is just gtk theming 20:32:27 even icon sizes and transparency? 20:32:30 rafaellaguna is better at this ;-) 20:32:38 mmm no 20:32:55 StephenSmally: quick Q 20:33:00 the icon size and the number of columns are configured by a desktop file 20:33:14 amjjawad: 20:33:14 LXLauncher will work like Unity Menu or something similar? 20:33:25 grr 20:33:28 can you explain better? 20:33:33 anyway, it's configurable someway 20:33:41 I couldn't follow the emails coz I was sick 20:33:54 phillw: lol, I thought somebody would say that. 20:33:55 so LxLauncher ... why it looks like Unity menu? 20:34:02 rafaellaguna: you can configure the columns number, the theme and the icon size 20:34:17 amjjawad: because now is themed like the unity menu ;-) 20:34:23 we can theme as we want 20:34:46 I'll send you later and discuss about that 20:34:51 keep the meeting going :) 20:35:30 Anyway, it won't be ready for Precise, so we have all the time to speak about and so on 20:35:36 once knowing the css/gtk bases, everything will run 20:35:54 there was no intention of removing current LxLauncher 20:35:58 good so we have time, phew :D 20:36:01 until replacing with this 20:36:25 only if we (the community) think is better than the current lxlauncher we will replace it 20:36:33 of course 20:37:02 StephenSmally: thanks. 20:37:04 but I'd like to get rid off that annoying GTK2 and dependant libraries from the distro 20:37:34 it will be cleaner for devs and for designers :) 20:37:41 Aloha 20:38:06 Hola MrChrisDruif :) 20:38:09 At what topic are we? 20:38:31 lxlauncher 20:38:43 mk. II 20:38:47 MrChrisDruif: just about at yours, I made you next 20:38:57 Coolio 20:39:14 #topic Update from Docs / Wiki 20:39:29 * MrChrisDruif first grabs food 20:39:39 anyway, it act in way similar to unity 20:39:39 but is not a shell 20:39:39 is always in background (omnipresent) 20:39:39 and if you want launch an app, just click on. 20:39:40 just think at it like the current lxlauncher, and how it act in the current Lubuntu netbook session 20:39:42 my rewrite is thinked also for tablet (in the current lxlauncher is impossible change tab with finger) 20:39:42 anyway, for comparision 20:39:43 current lxlauncher: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/images/5/5c/LXlauncher.png 20:40:29 my personal headache 20:40:34 Is the previous topic done? Whatever it was? 20:41:19 MrChrisDruif: I think so, I didn't realise StephenSmally was writing! 20:41:26 rafaellaguna: agree 20:41:36 StephenSmally; done? 20:41:42 done ;-) 20:41:49 Awesome 20:42:16 Anyhow, work has started on some level with the wiki 20:43:01 My friend and current chair phillw began setting up some pages to practice with the #divert tag 20:43:52 When he's done with that he'll also write some docs on how to use that, thanks already for what you've done phillw 20:44:45 I'm updating some pages every time I find myself ree 20:44:47 free* 20:45:10 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ContactUs << today I updated this page 20:45:20 Secondly on the help pages we've got a FAQ section. which now is divided into Guides and Workarounds, which is not a good divider if you ask me 20:45:35 and I'm sure phillw and MrChrisDruif know about the issue I mentioned earlier :) 20:45:36 I notice sometimes amjjawad 20:46:03 About the duplicity amjjawad ? 20:46:12 +1 I don't like the current FAQ layout 20:46:15 MrChrisDruif: yes 20:46:59 I sent many emails today and I'm totally lost now :/ I did not get replies yet! 20:47:06 One suggestion is replacing it with a indication level to the experience a user would require to use them 20:47:31 amjjawad; I had to work today, having dinner as we speak 20:47:35 MrChrisDruif: are we talking about FAQ now? 20:47:51 Yes 20:47:57 MrChrisDruif: whenever you are free, ping me on Gtalk 20:47:58 ok? 20:48:02 we need to talk :) 20:48:20 * MrChrisDruif lost track of mind 20:48:22 so we talk discuss other stuff on the meeting as our time is tight 20:48:49 (20:47:06) MrChrisDruif: One suggestion is replacing it with a indication level to the experience a user would require to use them 20:48:57 We also need to not sandbox out wiki from the rest 20:49:12 sorry guys, need to go. as always, it was a pleasure 20:49:21 cya rafaellaguna ;) 20:49:28 bye rafael 20:49:37 tc rafaellaguna 20:49:40 Anyhow, I think the most effective way for the docs team is to use the mailing-list 20:49:44 ;) 20:49:56 I'm not always available for meetings or chats 20:50:11 sounds good :) 20:50:16 MrChrisDruif: ok but ... 20:50:31 I'll reply to your mails amjjawad 20:50:36 sometimes, I get no reply for something important 20:50:41 ok then :) 20:50:55 anything else left for the meeting? 20:51:08 #topic UpDate from Devs? 20:51:11 amjjawad: as i said i've just been busy 20:51:15 Anyone from dev team here? 20:51:23 wxl: never mind, I knwo ;) 20:51:25 …but i'm fully behind you :) 20:51:28 know* 20:52:07 phillw, I can finish the meeting with some news 20:52:17 of course! 20:52:23 (and hi guys :)) 20:52:33 !!! 20:52:33 hey :) 20:52:39 sorry for missing the party today :) 20:52:41 Aloha gilir 20:52:43 Hi there. 20:52:47 (( we should finish the meeting by going back to our first topic!!! ))) 20:53:02 speaking of alpha 2 ... 20:53:26 you probably noticed the "little" problem on alpha 2 20:53:29 gilir; what is up with the pulling of unity to Lubuntu? 20:53:31 hah 20:53:34 20:53:44 on desktop ISO, we have unity installed, it's a bug 20:53:54 gilir: yeah? 20:54:12 i missed something? 20:54:17 great news :) 20:54:17 what of lightdm-gtk-greeter/unity-greeter issue? i pointed out that i still have the problem with a fresh daily. 20:54:20 probably because we have still unity-greeter, with generate a chain of horrible depends 20:54:21 StephenSmally: yes, gilir is here :D 20:54:27 good! 20:55:08 So it's due to unity-greeter? 20:55:12 so gilir any time frame when that bug will be fixed? just for everyone's info :) 20:55:22 alpha 2 will be rebuilt later tonight, but I fear the desktop ISO will not be good enough 20:55:48 amjjawad, problem is, I don't know why we have still it on the ISO 20:56:02 as i said above ^^ i think a major bug still remains 20:56:03 gilir: so is that bad news? 20:56:28 wxl: yes :( 20:56:37 amjjawad, not bad news, we have time to fix it, just not time to fix it for alpha 2 20:56:48 Would it be a problem for anyone if we prolonged this meeting with about 30 mins? 20:56:53 hey *I* have a question 20:56:57 gilir: thanks but are you saying it might be fixed with Beta1 ? 20:57:09 is there any way we can get the ppc daily to NOT be oversized? 20:57:18 bugs at alpha, expected... bugs at beta... bad news. 20:57:21 no problem MrChrisDruif 20:57:35 amjjawad, no, it must be fixed, alpha 2 is still a developpement release 20:57:40 phillw: good tip :) 20:57:47 gilir: ok thanks :) 20:57:52 don't be too nervous about it, it's a not a big problem 20:58:03 it's just very visible :) 20:58:17 gilir: I'm not but users on the forum are somehow freaked out ... u know :) 20:58:34 amjjawad: reassure them 20:58:40 it's an alpha, we're testing 20:58:41 for me, I'm sure you guys will fix it :) 20:58:46 wxl, yes, sorry about this, I hope futur daily will be better :/ 20:58:46 phillw; beta's still contain bugs, it would be bad if they still exist at final 20:58:50 Yes, will do that 20:59:11 gilir: ok, i just remembered you saying that you didn't have problems with latest daily and so i wanted to be sure i wasn't crazy :D 21:00:54 other news, lubuntu-software-center 0.0.4 should be ready after alpha 2 21:02:11 gilir: would I be rigt in thinking that 0.0.4 is in bzr already? 21:02:50 michaelrawson, yes, just need to check with StephenSmally the steps to release a tarball 21:03:13 (sorry, i'm new at this release stuffs) 21:03:32 StephenSmally, don't worry about this :) 21:03:54 any others questions ? 21:04:31 gilir: wxl had one re: the ppc isos. The macs only have cd drives. so oversize is a serious issue. 21:05:09 ah, I didn't know that :/ 21:05:25 I'll try to be carefull for the future 21:06:16 phillw, it's all for devs team :) 21:06:31 gilir: as ever, thanks. 21:06:41 #topic any other business. 21:07:14 Yes 21:07:29 if there's nothing else, we can wrap up. Hopfully gilir will be back as chair next week :) 21:07:34 I have sent an email to the Comms team regarding an official feedback channel 21:07:37 phillw 21:07:46 but that can wait :) 21:07:48 nvm, just making sure you noticed AJ 21:07:52 nothing urgent 21:08:25 michaelrawson: thanks mate :) 21:08:46 #endmeeting