20:05:45 #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting 20:05:45 Meeting started Wed Jan 18 20:05:45 2012 UTC. The chair is gilir. 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Does not affect xubuntu or kubuntu. 20:09:43 phillw, you have a bug number ? 20:10:01 gilir: I got confirmtaion about 3 minutes ago! 20:10:29 gilir: I'll get it raised but the issue is unity-greeter[1589] trap int3 ip:7fec4fbe4b3b sp:7fff55e32490 error:0 20:10:29 also the build useed to report the bug is 17 20:10:29 same errors for me in 18 on real hardware 20:11:12 phillw, hum, we should not have unity-greeter at all on lubuntu 20:11:18 why would there be a "unity-greeter" ... exactly! 20:11:56 that is what njin from the QA team saw when he tried to confirm it for me. It fails crazily on VM. He used a 'real' machine. 20:12:11 phillw, I'll look at a daily ISO to check, maybe the last update of lighdm was not so nice :) 20:12:33 okies, I got it 1st on 17th, we re-tried once 18th came out. 20:12:36 that black wallpaper is so bad 20:13:00 lightdm won't run at all for me. I'm all for keeping lxdm for now. 20:13:25 other than that, the new front wiki for the main QA team has been redisgned and will gradually filter through to update everything. 20:13:28 for me, I got it after I updated and upgraded my system 20:13:50 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ 20:14:01 michaelrawson, report a bug instead, we can't just switch this type of application when a bug arise 20:14:09 The current push is to have everything needed for alpha 2 testing. 20:14:30 end of QA report. 20:14:38 @gilir, I have. Sorry for chipping in :) 20:14:38 michaelrawson: Error: "gilir," is not a valid command. 20:14:49 gilir, I have. Sorry for chipping in :) 20:15:06 thanks phillw 20:15:38 #action gilir to check the unity-greeter / black wallpaper bug on ISO 20:15:38 * meetingology gilir to check the unity-greeter / black wallpaper bug on ISO 20:16:07 #topic Unit193 - Weekly report - Update on IRC OP's team 20:16:12 The IRC council call for OPs has been closed and we should hear from them later this week. 20:16:43 I'm also still looking for someone to do the OPs interview 20:17:07 Unit193: Use a mirror? 20:17:20 jmarsden|work: Last one I tried broke :/ 20:18:18 Unit193, interview for the comm team ? 20:18:28 gilir: Yes sir! 20:18:41 well, it's not mandatory :) 20:19:20 let's see how the first ones go, maybe people will be interested after :) 20:19:45 no one replied Jens except me and Phill :/ 20:20:01 amjjawad, I done it off list ;) 20:20:06 Yeah, there isn't much info as to the questions and sych 20:20:10 gilir: aha :D 20:20:19 amjjawad: also chris druif has replied. 20:20:30 phillw: that's cool :) 20:20:50 Unit193, anything else ? 20:21:02 That's all I can think of for now 20:21:12 ok thanks Unit193 :) 20:21:25 YOU FORGOT ME? 20:21:27 #topic MrChrisDruif - Weekly report - Update on Wiki / Docs team 20:21:46 MrChrisDruif, I follow the agenda order ;) 20:22:46 We've had a small issue regarding installing non-platform apps like ktouch on lubuntu 20:23:27 I asked if others could look up if others could find any info on the wiki regarding this issue. I've not had any response yet 20:23:50 MrChrisDruif, is there a bug report somewhere (upstream or on launchpad) ? 20:24:01 And still haven't really started with the restructuring of the wiki and help pages 20:24:24 gilir; No, it was a question coming from amjjawad from the forum. 20:24:30 MrChrisDruif: we need to talk sometime soon regarding that :) 20:25:17 I mean regarding the Wiki Pages and the re-organization of it 20:25:21 If it had performance issue. gilir; if you know anything about it, info would be appreciated 20:25:39 MrChrisDruif, no sorry, never use it 20:26:06 Alright, then I'll send a query to the mailing-list to find info about it 20:26:14 but maybe you could report a bug on upstream bug tracker, if you can't find information about this issue 20:26:37 yes, maybe someone on the mailing know something 20:27:01 Other then that nothing to report 20:27:02 and I'll try to do some search on the forum in case I can find something useful :) 20:27:28 thanks MrChrisDruif :) 20:27:34 amjjawad; thanks. About restructuring the wiki you can post to the wiki mailing-list 20:27:34 MrChrisDruif: please CC me when you will send that email :) 20:27:46 If you've got ideas, just share them 20:27:50 MrChrisDruif: I thought we can chat ? 20:28:02 #topic gilir - Weekly report - Devs teams report 20:28:26 No big and visible progress here 20:28:42 i have to say a thing 20:28:44 work on lxfind continue 20:29:08 gilir: yes, i'm implementing popup menu right now 20:29:15 gilir; Q: will LSC ever replace gdebi? 20:29:20 yey lxfind! 20:29:20 some progress on the packaging of the artwork, if you have the staging PPA, you may see some new stuff soon 20:29:26 (sorry just had to say thank you) 20:29:45 +1 for MrChrisDruif Q 20:29:53 and an update of gnome-mpalyer is in progress, available in PPA staging too 20:30:07 StephenSmally, yes ? 20:30:24 mmm, no, for the moment 20:30:32 why not to keep it? 20:30:43 StephenSmally, you said you had something to say :) 20:30:56 ah, excusme :) 20:31:25 a last bug on LSC should be fixed now (using non english translation) 20:31:42 so i think we will be ready to release 0.0.3 soon 20:31:55 StephenSmally, cool :) 20:32:27 StephenSmally, ping me when it's ready, so I can test it and update it on the repositories 20:32:38 of course 20:33:04 StephenSmally, and remember, feature freeze will be here soon, be sure to include most feature you want before this :) 20:34:03 mm, but if lsc is already in the repo... 20:34:14 nothing more from devs, unless StephenSmally or jmarsden|work want to add anything 20:34:32 shouldn't be possible update it without problems? 20:34:48 Nothing from me, except that lightdm/black screen issue needs fixing :) 20:34:51 StephenSmally, yes, but feature freeze applied to all packages in repo 20:35:12 StephenSmally: You can't add new features even to an existing app after Feature Freeze without getting an FFe 20:35:16 StephenSmally, after this, we can't add new feature, we focus on bug fixing 20:35:22 Argh, ok, i will be fast as possible ;-) 20:35:38 another little things, 20:35:44 that's mean I need to finish the session manager really soon :/ 20:35:54 StephenSmally: will LSC do the same function that Gdebi does? 20:35:55 ooh i forgot to ask, does lxfind do regex at all? 20:35:57 probably not 20:36:10 i opened a topic on the Ubuntu Italian forum to collect feedbacks and hints about lubuntu 20:36:38 wxl: since you use find as backend, yes, no with the native glib backend 20:37:13 StephenSmally: so if i understand you correctly, you're saying part of the backend does, but the other doesn't, so long story short, no 20:37:33 LxFind supports 3 kind of backends 20:37:43 Locate, Find and the Glib one 20:38:17 ah so it just selects the right one; got it 20:38:46 StephenSmally: will LSC do the same function that GDebi does? 20:39:01 amjjawad: no, not at the moment 20:39:11 but in future yes, right? 20:39:49 StephenSmally: and for me to know more about LSC and can answer such Qs on the Forum ... will user be able to install and use LSC on any variant? 20:39:50 amjjawad: we will see, if gdebi is too old or if is unuseful have to apps instead of one yes 20:40:19 amjawad; I have LSC on ubuntu, if that helps. 20:40:27 Yes, LSC haven't got any dependencies related to Lubuntu specifically, runs on any Debian Base distro 20:40:35 michaelrawson: that is good to know :) 20:40:42 StephenSmally: thanks :) 20:40:44 one last Q 20:40:52 will LXFind be available in 12.04? 20:41:14 mm, i think gilir will ask better 20:41:56 gilir: ? 20:42:13 (Feature freeze, you know, we need tester and need fast builds, launchpad takes hours to build) 20:42:19 amjjawad, not by default, it's too short, but yes in the PPA 20:42:47 gilir: thanks a lot. I need to be ready to answer that on Forums :) 20:42:47 gilir; permamently in PPA, or in 12.10? 20:43:16 Who knows what will be in 12:10, at this point? :) probably lxfind can be in 12.10 if it matures by then... 20:43:23 michaelrawson, no, we can reconsider it for 12.10 20:43:36 yup, thanks gilir. 20:43:40 StephenSmally; I'm not seeing a definitive answer if it'll support .deb installation 20:43:47 gilir: what about LXScreenshot? 20:44:32 amjjawad, as I said on the ML, we need to compare it with scrot, to see if we can replace it 20:44:34 MrChrisDruif: not in Precise 20:44:58 so that means not yet decided. Thanks G 20:45:18 any more questions ? :) 20:45:33 gilir: wubi? 20:45:35 But eventually yes? Maybe with backports eventually in Precise? 20:45:39 in 12.04? 20:46:39 amjjawad, I had no news about it, still in progress for 12.04 20:46:50 amjjawad: wubi will support 12.04 lubuntu 20:46:51 Ok, thanks gilir :) 20:47:03 phillw: so is it official? 20:47:03 phillw is more up-to-date than me :) 20:47:26 amjjawad: the fix has been made, we awair beta1 for full testing. 20:47:59 ok then it's kind of official :) thanks phillw 20:48:11 I'm done with Qs so far 20:48:40 amjjawad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/907524 20:48:42 Ubuntu bug 907524 in Wubi "No Lubuntu option" [Medium,Fix released] 20:48:56 #topic jmarsden|work Mailing list migration 20:49:41 thanks phillw, I subscribed to that bug :) 20:49:59 jmarsden|work, I planned to just close the team for new member, and remove current members to be sure nobody post to the old mailing list 20:50:15 jmarsden|work, if you have a better idea, go :) 20:50:29 gilir: why we do this? because we have sub-teams now? 20:50:55 That's fine, I was wondering when we will do it, I am still seeing some people (phillw and amjjawad from memory) use the old list... 20:50:57 amjjawad, no, because we have a new-and-more-official mailing list 20:51:20 gilir: ok but what about the members? 20:51:28 they need to join the NEW one first!! 20:51:35 jmarsden|work, I planned to wait some days after the annoucement of the new mailing list, but I can do it shortly now 20:51:55 amjjawad, I already send 2 mails on the old mailing about it 20:52:08 I think it's enough :) 20:52:11 gilir: true but I'm sure most did not read it yet :( 20:52:14 o/ 20:52:20 I think we need a clear decision; it's Ok with me if the etam thinks we need a longer period for people to move over... but ... yes, peole alread had notice. 20:52:24 I'll see if I can send a message with the kick of the members 20:52:27 gilir: I'll make sure to update the threads on UF 20:52:50 so that most of them who are already there will be informed 20:53:05 Thinking about this... which "team" is responsible for the mailing list? :) 20:53:13 michaelrawson: where do you think we need to put that? what thread? 20:53:28 IDK. all of them! 20:53:30 One last email to say why they were removed, and remove them all, simple 20:53:48 I can't put that on all of them, it's cross posting and you know what is next ;) michaelrawson 20:54:04 I meant LOST and LOSG and possible the 12.04 thread. :) 20:54:07 jmarsden|work, I don't know if we really need a team on this :) 20:54:29 jmarsden|work: I say we don't need that 20:54:36 each sub-team will take care of its own list 20:54:55 lubuntu-user will be for everyone 20:55:10 If people are subscribed to the mailing list, they should just need an email about it 20:55:18 michaelrawson: I'll see where to put that, most likely Lubuntu One Stop Group :) 20:56:02 you could also possible ask the fridge, etc to put out something. IDK, I agree with gilir in part. 20:56:50 is it possible to send a message every time someone posts to that list, warning them it's closing soon, and where to look for new one? 20:56:52 michaelrawson, maybe a blog post on a Ubuntu Planet should be enough ? 20:56:58 probably. :) 20:57:19 I am googling ubuntu planet. :) 20:57:55 as an aside to the topic but consistent with this current tangent, amjjawad i think you should create a facebook GROUP for us 20:58:00 pages are easy to ignore 20:58:07 any ubuntu member volunteer for this blog post ? :p 20:58:29 wxl: there is a group but i have no clue who is in charge??? 20:58:31 gilir: I'll giver it a go :) 20:58:53 phillw, your blog is aggregate on the planet ? 20:59:08 amjjawad: we'll chat later about this. i'm sure you could get in touch and have him/her make you an admin 20:59:23 gilir: I thought you wanted s.o. to report it ubuntu planet? 20:59:25 I tired and he/she ignored me as usual wxl 20:59:37 amjjawad: then make a new group! :D 20:59:47 phillw: what do you think? new group? 20:59:50 amjjawad: e.g. "Official Lubuntu" 20:59:59 I'm not an admin on Lubuntu Page yet??? so what gives? phillw ? 21:00:10 I've been calling for that since ages! 21:00:13 amjjawad: I rarely use fb! 21:00:21 many do phillw 21:00:27 I'm UP to this as forever 21:00:32 :) 21:00:42 my requests were being ignored 21:00:45 I'm active on Fb 21:00:51 just like UF 21:01:06 phillw, we will talk about it later, maybe I can do a blog post about Lubuntu devs for 12.04, include this information 21:01:09 ACTUALLY i'd be happy to help out with a facebook group as part of support 21:01:20 I'm creating too many pages but I don't think it's very good idea. We need to focus on few official pages 21:01:22 okies gilir 21:01:32 well...me too, but I'm with phill on fb usage. 21:01:36 ok, it's time, if nobody have important stuff to add, I'll finish the meeting 21:01:55 pages don't push notifications, but groups do, which is why i suggest groups 21:02:07 wxl: i don't mind :) 21:02:09 * MrChrisDruif uses fb a lot. But google+ for Ubuntu related stuff 21:02:10 sounds like this is our personal project amjjawad :D 21:02:12 I need the green light 21:02:29 I already made G+ for Lubuntu ;) 21:02:46 #endmeeting