20:04:23 #startmeeting 20:04:23 Meeting started Wed Nov 23 20:04:23 2011 UTC. The chair is gilir. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 20:04:23 20:04:23 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 20:04:49 Welcome to the 1st lubuntu team meeting :) 20:04:54 o/ 20:05:03 let me explain the rules first :) 20:05:35 Agenda is available on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda 20:06:11 the meeting will last 1 hour, any items left will be discussed next week 20:06:41 logs, actions etc ... will be available on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20111123 for this meeting 20:07:37 if you have any questions during the meeting, raise your hand : o/ 20:08:36 I will go with the different items of the agenda from people who are here :) 20:08:46 Hi, i'm here 20:09:05 just in time :) 20:09:28 [TOPIC] Plan for the website lubuntu.net 20:10:03 So, people expressed some concerns about the website 20:10:19 I think we are all agree that it needs some work :p 20:10:20 gilir, Are we supposed/allowed to maintain a separate site for the OS ? 20:10:49 M0hi, you mean separate from the wiki page ? 20:10:58 xubuntu & kubuntu have their own. 20:11:14 gilir, yes 20:11:19 kubuntu has own, so does xubuntu 20:11:54 yes, you can do more things than on the wiki 20:12:03 Terminology: GNU/Linux is the OS, Ubuntu is the distribution, Lubutu is the flavour. We can have a dedicated web site for the Lubutu flavour of Ubuntu, yes. 20:12:19 Okies 20:12:35 o/ 20:12:48 I put a page on the wiki, to gather some ideas : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Website_Plan 20:13:08 yes michaelrawson 20:13:30 I think amjjawad and morgaes were cooking up some prototypes for the site.... 20:13:54 do they know about the page and were are they today? 20:14:01 *where are they 20:14:10 yes, and rafael also have ideas about the website 20:14:21 I hope, I posted it on the mailing list 20:14:37 okay, as long as they know. :) 20:15:14 we also discussed with Mario about this, I'll put our ideas also on the wiki 20:15:21 I would be willing to help with the website. Especially the getting it hosted by Canonical.. I have a good working relationship with IS 20:15:39 Not saying I can get it approved to be hosted, but if it does get approved, working with IS on making it happen 20:15:57 While I can't web design as such, I can check for basic errors like spell checks . 20:16:07 thanks cjohnston :) hopefully we fixed our hosting problem recently :) 20:16:31 our main problem now, is more on the content and the technicals issues 20:16:46 Right 20:17:10 and the layout. IMO. 20:17:29 ok, so I encourage every people who have ideas to put them on the wiki page 20:18:15 we can summarize them after 20:18:25 How the lubuntu.net web site relates to Lubuntu wiki content is also a major issue. Duplicating everything would be bad. 20:18:54 we should redirect to the wiki for more specific infos 20:18:54 yes (for michaelrawson and jmarsden|work ) 20:19:29 IMO, wiki should be for documentation and team organization, and only hosted by the wiki 20:19:54 So we need to decide what the Lubuntu.net is for 20:20:04 maybe (like ubuntu) "best of the wiki" could be put in the official documentation? 20:20:36 michaelrawson: agree, why not put the content in the main page (of the wiki) in the website 20:20:53 well for me wiki = wiki.ubuntu.com + help.ubuntu.com 20:21:13 me too. but yelp (?) integrates with it (?) 20:22:05 michaelrawson, that's another problem :) to be able to have documentation offline on the system 20:22:46 well, many people who raised concerns about the website are not here :) 20:22:58 move on to next topic? 20:23:10 so I propose to send a reminder on the mailing list 20:23:20 Okies 20:23:21 and move to the next topic ? 20:23:32 M0hi, No #action needed? 20:23:37 agree gilir 20:23:43 agree 20:23:45 [ACTION] Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page 20:23:45 * meetingology Send a reminder about Website_Plan wiki page 20:24:08 o/ 20:24:16 yes bioterror 20:24:36 could the website be more like xubuntu and kubuntu has it?, Get Lubuntu, Get help & Support and Get Involved 20:24:48 I think that's really good, also they have some tours and explanations what it is all about 20:24:55 less is more 20:25:00 o/ 20:25:03 bioterror: Post ideas to the Website_Plan page :) 20:25:09 I will 20:25:11 why not, the subject is pretty open :) 20:25:33 yes michaelrawson 20:26:10 xubuntu & kubuntu sites are VERY similiar...why not 'clone' a website for now and find and replace lubuntu instead of xubuntu? quick fix 20:26:11 brb 20:26:24 if you see what I mean. 20:26:52 I'll put on wiki if nobody kills me. :) 20:27:00 we can probaly copy the design, but not the content 20:27:16 but you write your idea on the wiki ;) 20:27:17 michaelrawson: +1, i like the xubuntu site. gilir: obviously ;-) 20:27:43 ok, next topic :) 20:28:00 [TOPIC] PowerPC ISO 20:28:30 There are some resquests for a powerpc ISO of lubuntu 20:28:53 gilir: can we just built it with the ubuntu system? 20:28:59 fortunatly for this cycle, we have people willing to test the ISOs :) 20:29:14 stephen-smally, it's already build, we just need testers 20:29:25 gilir: perfect 20:29:34 to test and validate the quality of the ISO 20:30:06 according to the mailing list, we have at least 2 testers, so it's just fine :) 20:30:26 I can do that and have a couple of people interested - I'm trying tp persuade them to join the mailing list. 20:30:45 Is testing in an emulation environment like sheepshaver or pearpc likely to be useful? Or do we need real physical powerpc hardware? 20:30:47 Yorvyk, great :) 20:31:20 jmarsden|work: Any testing is useful 20:31:41 jmarsden|work, if we have enough people to test on real hardware, it won't be necessary IMO 20:31:58 OK 20:32:11 don't forget that we have also i386 and amd64 to test ;) 20:32:50 and probably soon ARM is coming 20:32:51 I'll do also a mail on the mailing to try to convince more people to do ISO testing 20:33:40 ARM? would be great, but i think there aren't plans by Ubuntu... (i'm looking for setup the raspberry pi, a 25$ computer) 20:33:42 Perhaps advertising outside the mailing list may help 20:33:46 bioterror, for ARM, we need testers, devices to test, and to create the images 20:33:50 gilir, Lets get the whole list of testers so that it will be easy to contact the testing team 20:34:03 they don't exist yet, unlike powerpc ISO 20:34:25 gilir, I could make a small invest thru dealxtreme. I have some interest 20:34:44 [ACTION] Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1 20:34:44 * meetingology Send a mail about ISO testing to the mailing list for Alpha 1 20:35:39 Should we send something to the news letter. It might reach more people. 20:35:39 gilir, i will be very happy to test the ARM iso (in a month +-), if necessary 20:36:48 ARM is a more complex subject, but we can discuss it next week 20:37:05 allright 20:38:09 [ACTION] Put an item about ARM images for next meeting 20:38:09 * meetingology Put an item about ARM images for next meeting 20:38:49 ok, if the powerpc subject is over, let's move to the next one 20:39:09 [TOPIC] Old PC supporting or New Kernel for 12.04 20:39:37 M0hi, if you are agree, I'll introduce the subject :) 20:39:58 gilir, proceed =] 20:40:28 so there is an ongoing discussion about the PAE support on the kernel for 12.04 20:40:51 currently, no decision was made by the kernel team 20:41:10 it's expected next week 20:41:41 also, we are unsure of the number of CPU affected by this 20:42:19 jmarsden|work, suggested a command to test it, but so far not so many reports 20:42:32 or we can assume that nobody is affected :) 20:42:48 those computers that gets affected are mostly from the late 90's 20:43:10 well, I don't think we can do more for now, except doing the test 20:43:21 bioterror: How do you know this, and have you found any that can run 11.04 or 11.10 but do not have PAE? 20:44:09 jmarsden|work, sorry, but I dont work at museum of old computers 20:44:20 and, if i have a late 90's machine, i would install archlinux or something very scalable (you know, lubuntu is not so usable with 128 Mb ram, i've a machine like this, with a old AMD Athlon) 20:44:52 So we're at or we can assume that nobody is affected :) 20:44:52 first generation intel macbook was sold in 2006 and had a pentium M without PAE for instance, its not that old 20:45:12 oops am i too late? 20:45:26 Sarvatt, my friend has one. it only supports 3GB of RAM 20:45:47 it also wont boot ubuntu anymore if it goes in 20:46:20 (sorry to interrupt the meeting) 20:46:31 that was a good point 20:46:53 Sarvatt, any information is welcome, thanks :) 20:47:51 OK, all we can do is ask for more testing and watch for others doing similar investigation of which machines are affected. 20:48:08 +1 jmarsden|work 20:49:01 ok, so let's move to the next topic 20:49:18 10 minutes left 20:49:33 [TOPIC] LxPanel developing status 20:49:45 stephen-smally, it's your turn :) 20:49:53 Ok, ;-) 20:50:19 Maybe you don't know this, but Lxpanel is pretty inactive 20:50:33 (under the developing profile) 20:50:45 i would argue that lxpanel needs development in applets more than IT needs development 20:51:29 +1, wxl 20:51:42 a ram monitor, for one 20:51:47 well, it needs maintainance + bug fixing at least :/ 20:51:53 If it's not being developed nobody will provide applets for it 20:52:06 +1 gilir 20:52:06 stephen-smally: are you volunteering to take over lxpanel maintenance? 20:52:13 python support for applets would be nice, but I won't get on to that now. Currently you have to do everyting in C, which is offputting. 20:52:16 well that's a good point Yorvyk but what would replace it? 20:52:18 stephen-smally, so, what's the point ? :) We know we have a panel problem :) 20:52:40 Ok, i talked to pcman, wich is the main developer of lxpanel 20:52:56 he's planning a rewrite of lxpanel in vala+gtk3 20:53:55 yes, but we don't know when, he still have work to do for the filemanager 20:54:21 yes, i know 20:54:55 IMO, we should keep lxpanel for now, try to fix it 20:55:12 and eventually, rewrite some parts in vala if we have time 20:55:27 ok, i can do this, anyway 20:55:30 as we can mix C and Vala 20:55:55 yes, we can, the build system will need some instruction, but it's possible 20:56:00 stephen-smally, but you have also others projects, don't forget :) 20:56:07 Surely Vala makes C code, so we shouldn't have to mix? 20:56:13 ;-), yes 20:56:54 stephen-smally, we still need a release of LSC 20:57:06 michaelrawson: You can rewrite all of lxpanel in Vala if you have the time and skills, otherwise, it can be migrated slowly, mixing vala with the existing C code :) 20:57:31 anyway, i'm also available for lxpanel in vala 20:57:31 3 minutes to go 20:57:56 jmarsden|work compile vala first, then compile C code? 20:58:00 what's after us? 20:58:53 stephen-smally, thanks, but we should talk about LSC and LXScreeshot before planning development time on lxpanel 20:59:11 michaelrawson: Order doesn't matter, compile everything (C or Vala) -> object code, then link it together. 20:59:21 ok, Lxscreenshot is already done, i can make a project and a release if needed 20:59:32 stephen-smally, no one, but we have too much items after this one :) 20:59:44 okay, jmarsden|work, thanks for clarification. :) 20:59:48 i personally would rather see lxpanel developed than lsc/lxscreenshot, but that may be me 20:59:59 gilir: so we can occupy a little the channel? XD 21:00:26 stephen-smally: Some of us are at work... 21:00:29 stephen-smally, it needs some polishing (like translation, command line support etc ...) but I can send you list 21:00:33 wxl: i partially agree 21:00:52 stephen-smally, but yes, lxscreenshot is almost ready 21:01:14 ok, if you want some interface improvements let me know ;-) 21:01:45 stephen-smally: my argument being that lxpanel is absolutely essential-- every user uses it. less people need lxscreenshot and scrot does the trick for those that do need it. plus synaptic does do the trick. 21:01:46 [ACTION] Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally 21:01:46 * meetingology Send comments about lxscreenshot to stephen-smally 21:02:19 wxl, but having project half finished is not nice also 21:02:24 wxl: i agree, so i'm available to help in lxpanel 21:02:48 +1 gilir 21:02:51 gilir: yes, the situation is not so good, i'm the only who develop lsc 21:02:58 just installed lxpanel, works brilliantly. 21:03:30 stephen-smally I'm happy to help lsc if you can teach me roughly where stuff goes. 21:03:51 michaelrawson: thanks, we can discuss it via mails 21:03:54 yup. 21:03:56 stephen-smally, ok, so let's finish the meeting here, can we talk about lsc on #lubuntu just after ? 21:04:10 of course 21:04:10 or mail if you prefer 21:04:31 as you like, i prefer irc anyway 21:05:05 Yorvyk, sorry for your subjects, I report them on the top of the list for next week 21:05:16 #endmeeting