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16:00:43 <pitti> hello o/
16:00:46 <Daviey> \o
16:00:49 <scott-work> hi o/
16:01:01 <cjwatson> hi
16:01:03 <jibel> Hi
16:01:09 <skaet> :)
16:01:25 <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
16:01:43 <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-11-18
16:01:43 <skaet> .
16:01:43 <skaet> Welcome to first weekly release meeting for Precise Pangolin aka 12.04 LTS!
16:01:43 <skaet> Schedule for this release will be at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule  (some edits still need to happen, but they're later in schedule)
16:01:43 <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
16:01:47 <skaet> � 11/24 - Feature Definition Freeze (aka Planning Freeze) - all blueprints should be in and approved
16:01:50 <skaet> � 11/25 - status.ubuntu.com gets reset and tracking workitems starts.
16:01:52 <skaet> � 12/01 - Alpha 1 release.
16:01:54 <skaet> .
16:01:56 <skaet> New format for the meeting is to review the comments posted by other teams in ubuntu-release maillist before the meeting, and then ask questions.
16:01:59 <skaet> Please signal when you've finished comments/questions by ".."
16:02:00 <skaet> .
16:02:02 <skaet> Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
16:02:04 <skaet> #LINK http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
16:02:06 <skaet> .
16:02:08 <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to those teams.
16:02:11 <skaet> .
16:02:13 <skaet> questions?
16:02:15 <cjwatson> o/
16:02:17 <skaet> ..
16:02:26 <skaet> go ahead cjwatson
16:02:33 <cjwatson> I wanted to dig into the dssi-vst/multiarch thing that scott-work raised on -release (and I clarified)
16:02:54 <cjwatson> in particular I think the answer to this depends very much on whether there's more stuff on its way where we're going to want i386 packages on the amd64 images
16:03:30 <cjwatson> if it's just for a single package, then doing a lot of infra work seems a bit questionable, but if it's going to be for more than that then we should make sure it gets scheduled
16:03:41 <cjwatson> does anyone know of more upcoming examples of this kind of thing?
16:03:42 <cjwatson> ..
16:04:40 * skaet not seeing any hands.
16:04:52 * stgraber checks
16:04:58 * scott-work is on the phone at work
16:05:04 <skaet> ok,  any objection to going into the round table, and lets folks ponder,  and then get back to it at the end of the meeting?
16:05:23 <cjwatson> np
16:05:28 <cjwatson> just food for thought
16:05:34 <stgraber> nope, can't find any other
16:05:40 <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team Q&A - mlegris
16:06:00 <skaet> any questions from mlegris?  or question for him?
16:06:01 <mlegris> Finishing up the last of our systems this week
16:06:57 <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/oneiric-testing/oneiric_final.html
16:07:17 <mlegris> ..
16:07:27 <Daviey> mlegris: Is there a list of the hardware you are cert'ing for server?
16:07:37 * scott-work is back
16:07:38 <Daviey> (or any, i guess)
16:07:50 <mlegris> Daviey: Yes, its at the end of the page I posted
16:09:05 <skaet> mlegris,  can you post an email status to the ubuntu-release maillist going forward so folks have a chance to looking things over before the meeting next time?
16:09:11 <Daviey> That is what i get for typing too quickly.
16:09:21 <mlegris> skaet: sure thing
16:09:26 <skaet> thanks mlegris!
16:09:48 * skaet doesn't see any more questions... so onwards
16:10:08 <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team Q&A -  jibel
16:10:14 <Daviey> mlegris: hmm, can't we see bugs why it failed?
16:10:18 <Daviey> oh, sorry.
16:10:32 <skaet> Daviey, no worries,  just post it at the end after the round table.
16:11:33 <jibel> no question from the QA team
16:11:50 <jibel> Just a note about daily smoke tests. Desktop tests are failing since yesterday.
16:11:50 <skaet> thanks for getting the status mailed out.
16:12:00 <jibel> We'll investigate what's wrong first thing next week
16:12:13 <jibel> any question for us ?
16:12:14 <cjwatson> jibel: URL and I can have a quick look?
16:12:24 <cjwatson> on the possibility that it's not a test failure
16:12:25 <skaet> thanks jibel,  was going to ask about the daily smoke tests.
16:12:36 <skaet> where should folks go to see the result?
16:13:07 <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/ but the logs are empty. I need to replay the test manually
16:13:25 <jibel> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/oneiric-desktop-amd64_default/123/ for example
16:13:42 <cjwatson> er, oneiric?
16:14:12 <jibel> sorry https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/precise-desktop-amd64_default/134/
16:14:40 <cjwatson> I guess I can squeeze in a quick manual test run
16:15:34 <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
16:15:46 <jdstrand> hi!
16:16:00 <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Precise
16:16:01 <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-security.html
16:16:09 <jdstrand> We've gotten our blueprints and work items in shape this week (which is evident from the wild ride that is our burndown atm ;). Like in previous releases, the security team gets to development work as time allows and we only commit to completing work items that have an 'Essential' priority.
16:16:22 <jdstrand> In that light, this cycle we have done things differently than in the past and moved all of our essential work items into their own essential blueprints. We then created the topic-precise-security-essential blueprint, that depends on our essential blueprints. This gives us and others the ability to more easily see our progress on things we are committed to implementing.
16:16:39 <jdstrand> (this can of course be seen in http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-security.html)
16:16:47 <jdstrand> We have no trend line on the burn down, so I will interpret that as us being below it. :)
16:17:06 <jdstrand> In terms of bugs worth highlighting:
16:17:07 <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html#security
16:17:14 <jdstrand> 887332: the kernel team is handling this (patch needs to be rewritten and resubmitted upstream)
16:17:21 <jdstrand> 344878: plan is to make a change to ecryptfs to use pathconf, then to adjust userspace applications like evolution to properly honor pathconf. We will be adjusting ecryptfs and then filing bugs against applications that aren't honoring pathconf
16:17:25 <jdstrand> 800826, 872446, 851986: assigned, no progress
16:17:41 <jdstrand> that's it
16:17:47 <skaet> thanks jdstrand,  for next week, can this get mailed out to ubuntu-release mail list prior to the meeting? :)
16:18:10 <jdstrand> oh, has this changed? I must have missed an email
16:18:13 <jdstrand> mdeslaur: ^
16:18:20 <mdeslaur> sure
16:18:30 <Daviey> jdstrand: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000471.html
16:18:35 <skaet> thanks jdstrand, mdeslaur.  :)
16:18:38 <jdstrand> I should also mention that mdeslaur will be handling the release meetings from now on
16:18:46 <skaet> welcome mdeslaur :)
16:18:55 <skaet> any questions for jdstrand?
16:19:10 <skaet> before we move on?
16:19:24 <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team Q&A - ogasawara
16:19:30 <ogasawara> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000472.html
16:19:30 <ogasawara> As I noted in my release meeting email, we're hoping to upload our first v3.2 based kernel today (pending some test feedback).  cjwatson also pointed out bug 888597 which I've fixed and will make sure it lands in the upload.
16:19:32 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 888597 in linux (Ubuntu) "linux-image-extra-3.1.0-2-virtual is uninstallable" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888597
16:19:53 <ogasawara> Also looks like our kernel speicic work item status page has recently appeared:
16:19:53 <ogasawara> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-kernel-essential.html
16:20:00 <jdstrand> Daviey: thanks
16:20:04 <ogasawara> ..
16:20:38 <skaet> thanks ogasawara,  is there going to be any issues with things stabilizing for A1?
16:20:52 <skaet> using the new kernel?
16:21:22 <ogasawara> skaet: should be shaping up.  we just tested the nvidia and fglrx drivers with the newer 3.2 kernel and seems to be working fine.
16:21:38 <ogasawara> skaet: also doing some smoke testing amongst the team and no major fires seen yet
16:22:09 <skaet> ogasawara, coolio.  just wondering about the timing of it landing,  with the thanksgiving holidays occuring.   But if the testing is looking good, we should be ok as long as it lands next week.
16:22:21 <skaet> any other questions for kernel team?
16:22:25 <gilir> o/
16:22:31 <skaet> gilir, go
16:22:45 <gilir> is there a date for the PAE no-PAE support decision ?
16:23:12 <ogasawara> gilir: still being discussed.  I'm going to raise it with the team next week as some of the key players are traveling this week.
16:23:33 * ogra_ guesses the final decision will be posted to the kernel ML
16:23:38 <ogasawara> gilir: I'll give an update next week, but there will be follow up on the thread as well
16:23:39 <ogra_> or ubuntu-devel
16:23:56 <gilir> ok thanks :)
16:24:05 <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
16:24:11 <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000476.html
16:24:17 <cjwatson> Q&A not update, right?
16:24:22 <skaet> yup
16:24:35 <skaet> sorry, missed that edit.  :P
16:24:59 <cjwatson> quick update on those bugs: the doc-base one is fixed although I'm waiting for the relevant Launchpad cron job to notice the latest Debian perl upload so that I can sync it, to finish fixing the upgrade path
16:25:11 <cjwatson> on the update-inetd one, I've sent a possible patch to Debian for review
16:25:19 <cjwatson> they're both facets of the same underlying problem
16:25:58 <cjwatson> that should all be comfortably out of the way by alpha 1
16:26:54 <cjwatson> ..
16:27:03 <skaet> thanks cjwatson,  minor typo in your email status
16:27:09 <cjwatson> mm?
16:27:17 <skaet> bugs committed to being fixed are rls-p-tracking list
16:27:25 <cjwatson> oh, right
16:27:39 <skaet> bugs of interest to the release (ie. nominations to be considered) are rls-mgr-p-tracking
16:27:51 <cjwatson> yeah, I'll sort out my confusion over those two over time
16:27:55 * skaet probably needs to make that a little clearer going forward.
16:28:04 <skaet> :)
16:28:25 <skaet> any questions for cjwatson?
16:28:47 <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team Q&A - Daviey
16:29:08 <Daviey> hullo
16:29:13 <Daviey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000479.html
16:30:06 <skaet> thanks Daviey.
16:30:12 * skaet doesn't have questions
16:30:13 <Daviey> I noticed bug 735072 is associated to our team, and targeted to be fixed.  We didn't commit to that
16:30:13 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 735072 in samba (Ubuntu) "The hostname proposed by installer is too long for file sharing to work correctly." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/735072
16:31:37 <Daviey> Any questions?
16:31:49 <ogra_> are we there yet ?
16:31:52 <ogra_> :P
16:32:07 <Daviey> ogra_: I'll tell you when we do, ask again, and you'll get no cookies!
16:32:15 <ogra_> *sniff*
16:32:16 <skaet> Daviey - bug is not on the rls-p-tracking list,  just on the nominations list.   I'll look into it a bit more after this.
16:32:24 <Daviey> skaet: rocking
16:32:49 <skaet> commit (rls-p-tracking)  nominate (rls-mgr-p-tracking) ... see comments above that this needs to be clarified. :)
16:33:23 * skaet not seeing any other questions... so....
16:33:33 <skaet> Thanks Daviey!
16:33:36 <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team Q&A-  ogra
16:33:43 <ogra_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000483.html
16:33:50 <ogra_> nothing to add from my side ...
16:34:06 <skaet> Thanks ogra!  :)
16:34:11 * skaet looks around for questions
16:34:12 <ogra_> (and sorry for the late mail, next week will be better)
16:34:44 * skaet happy to see images building  :)
16:34:56 <ogra_> wellm live images are a desaster ...
16:35:04 <ogra_> but we'll get them :)
16:35:17 <skaet> ogra_, :)
16:35:43 <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro Q&A- fabo
16:35:54 <fabo> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000484.html
16:36:13 <skaet> thanks fabo! :)
16:36:23 <fabo> I forget to add that upcoming release will support PandaBoard ES
16:36:25 <fabo> ..
16:36:33 <ogra_> thast 4460 ?
16:36:37 <ogra_> *thats
16:36:38 <fabo> ogra_: yes
16:36:43 <ogra_> awesome
16:36:49 <ogra_> i thought there was support already
16:36:56 <ogra_> i saw oneiric booting on a 4460
16:37:00 <ogra_> ..
16:37:09 <fabo> unofficial, until now :)
16:37:14 <ogra_> ah
16:37:46 <fabo> sorry for the late mail as well, I'll do better next time
16:37:47 <fabo> ..
16:37:51 <skaet> dbarth, do you have any comments on the OpenGL ES 2 support that fabo's asking about in his status?
16:38:22 <dbarth> the only thing i can say is that everything is blocked due to the absence of tests
16:38:39 <dbarth> expect no code changes until that situation is resolved
16:39:03 <fabo> dbarth: missing tests where? code or something else?
16:39:05 <dbarth> that branch is blocked, like many others
16:39:18 <dbarth> yes, the code needs to come with tests
16:39:32 <dbarth> the type of which, and level of validation is still subject to negotiations
16:40:00 <fabo> hmm ok, I'll raise that to the graphics WG
16:40:02 <cjwatson> this is in response to the acceptance criteria stuff?
16:40:18 <dbarth> i can't give you a firm guideline on the kind of test(s) you need to add for that branch to be unblocked; but that definition is what i'm working on
16:40:21 <dbarth> yes
16:40:25 <skaet> thanks dbarth,  will let you and fabo discuss further outside meeting then.
16:40:40 <dbarth> skaet: +1
16:40:40 <skaet> any other questions for fabo?
16:41:20 <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team Q&A -  joshuahoover
16:41:43 * skaet doesn't see joshuahoover... moving on
16:41:59 <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team Q&A  - pitti
16:42:13 <pitti> see the already mailed out report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
16:42:19 <skaet> :)
16:42:23 <pitti> I think we are in ok shape for alpha-1
16:42:38 <pitti> we haven't really started breaking anything yet (and don't really plan to, except for the potential switch to RB)
16:42:48 <Daviey> pitti: Happen t know if/when a new X will land, that might break non-free drivers?
16:42:52 <pitti> we are mildly oversized, but nothing we can't handle at this point
16:43:13 <pitti> Daviey: haven't heard imminent plans to update from bryce or Chris
16:43:23 <Daviey> ta
16:43:36 <skaet> Thanks pitti,   not worrying about size too much for A1 (nice to have, not essential).  :)
16:43:39 <dbarth> o/
16:43:44 <skaet> dbarth go
16:43:45 <pitti> it's just 1 or 2 MB
16:43:57 <dbarth> can we have the confirmation that it will *not* break the non-free drivers?
16:44:41 <pitti> I don't know if the next version will change ABI again; I'll ask Chris/Bryce on Monday and get back
16:44:50 <dbarth> said otherwise, the requirement to have a stable ubuntu, also applies to X; no 2 weeks with nvidia support is what i'm saying
16:44:56 <pitti> we should certainly try to avoid it at least during precise
16:44:56 <dbarth> without
16:45:07 <dbarth> thanks
16:45:24 <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Q&A - dbarth
16:45:40 <dbarth> (sorry for the late email, i hope it passe though)
16:45:47 <dbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ReleaseStatus
16:46:21 <dbarth> in a nutshell we're blocked on the definition of tests; but assembled 2 tasksforce to create good reference examples and unblock the situation
16:46:42 <dbarth> but no bug fixes or anything else until it's done (next week hopefully)
16:46:58 <dbarth> the bug tags are now enforced with didrocks i think, so process wise we're getting there
16:47:01 <dbarth> ..
16:47:13 <skaet> dbarth,  no worries, we're all ramping up to get this more efficient for next time.   Looking forward to getting us unblocked.   Can we live with what we have for Alpha 1 or is the release at risk?
16:47:35 <dbarth> no, it's not at this point ;)
16:47:35 <skaet> s/release/milestone release/
16:47:41 <dbarth> we'll have a good unity in 12.04
16:48:16 <skaet> dbarth,  so no significant changes expected between now and  Dec 1?
16:48:34 <ogra_> dbarth, what about the gles code merge, will it be there for A1 as agreed on ?
16:48:51 <dbarth> we'll stay on the maintenance version, ie 4.x branch for now
16:49:17 <dbarth> ogra_: they're in the merge queue, we need to clarify with didrocks the level of tests he wants
16:49:23 <dbarth> let's take that offline
16:49:30 <ogra_> k
16:49:56 <skaet> thanks dbarth.
16:50:05 <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
16:50:32 * skaet missed a s/update/Q&A/ again.... drat!
16:50:55 <skaet> lol
16:51:15 * skaet not seeing Riddell though... or seeing anything posted,  so moving on.
16:51:26 <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team Q&A - stgraber or highvoltage
16:51:39 <stgraber> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000474.html
16:51:43 <skaet> :)
16:52:26 <stgraber> on my phone, expect slow answers :)
16:52:48 <skaet> stgraber, thanks.   :)   with edubuntu not building,  are you going to be able to release alpha 1 image?
16:52:58 <cjwatson> sorry about the fuse bit, I'll make sure that gets sorted out
16:53:08 <cjwatson> I will ensure it doesn't block you for a1
16:53:13 <skaet> :)
16:53:41 <stgraber> I dont't expect any other problem for a1
16:53:48 <skaet> thanks!
16:54:10 <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team Q&A - ??
16:54:40 <scott-work> should be knome but i don't know he's here
16:54:48 <skaet> yeah,  I
16:54:48 <madnick> We are just observers this tiume, I think (?) unless micahg has something to say :)
16:55:33 <skaet> I'll work with knome to figure something out for next time.   He said he has someone, but not sure who yet.  :)
16:56:24 <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Studio Q&A - scott-work
16:56:47 <scott-work> email  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000475.html
16:57:08 <scott-work> nothing really to add except for the ia32-libs which i can clarify with colin offline
16:57:15 <skaet> Thanks scott-work!
16:57:53 * skaet didn't see any issues in the status, so moving on...
16:58:02 <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team Q&A - gilir
16:58:12 <gilir> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2011-November/000477.html
16:58:57 <skaet> thanks gilir,  re: powerpc,  let me know when there's testers line up for it,  and I'll put it on the manifest.
16:59:52 <scott-work> o/
16:59:57 <gilir> ok, I'll see this point next week
16:59:59 * skaet has not been seeing the powerpc images get much testing love - so want to make sure that's in place before we add to builds.
17:00:07 <skaet> go scott-work
17:00:23 <skaet> thanks gilir
17:00:35 <scott-work> i should have mentioned earlier that we will be starting testing of the -lowlatency kernel vs. -generic next week
17:00:44 <scott-work> ..
17:00:47 <cjwatson> to clarify, it's not adding to builds - lubuntu/powerpc is already being daily-built
17:00:53 <cjwatson> it's adding to test manifests
17:01:14 <gilir> yes powerpc are build, just not tested :)
17:01:24 <skaet> scott-work,  thanks for adding.   Are you going to be trying to put it out with the A1 images?
17:01:53 <scott-work> skaet: i do not expect to, we have quite a bit of testing and evaluation i think
17:02:13 <scott-work> not to mention, getting the package through revu and into the archive
17:02:14 <scott-work> ..
17:02:24 <skaet> scott-work,  *whew*  ;)
17:02:31 <skaet> [TOPIC] MOTU Team update - tumbleweed or Laney
17:03:06 * skaet seeing both of them marked away ... moving on
17:03:33 <skaet> [TOPIC] any other business?
17:04:24 <stgraber> http://91.189.93.73
17:04:33 <Laney> I thought we weren't giving regular updates
17:04:42 <skaet> anyone have further comments or cases for: <cjwatson> I wanted to dig into the dssi-vst/multiarch thing that scott-work raised on -release (and I clarified)
17:04:42 <skaet> <cjwatson> in particular I think the answer to this depends very much on whether there's more stuff on its way where we're going to want i386 packages on the amd64 images
17:05:03 <skaet> Laney,  I should have typed Q&A - my bad
17:05:17 <cjwatson> there's no huge urgency on that since it won't get done before the germinate changes needed for faster publishing anyway
17:06:02 <pitti> as for the main Ubuntu images, I'd really like to avoid introducing such a case
17:06:19 <pitti> it would add quite a lot of overhead (you will at least have to install a second glibc etc. onto the images)
17:06:45 <scott-work> cjwatson: in the short term should we consider removing dssi-vst from the seeds?
17:06:54 <scott-work> i can check on the impact of that
17:07:03 <stgraber> above url is the work in progress iso tracker, comments and suggestions are welcome (soon to be feature-equivalent to the current one)
17:07:10 <pitti> it seems most use cases are related to proprietary extra stuff which we only offer to download on demand
17:07:11 <Daviey> stgraber: Any progress on an API?
17:07:15 <pitti> so I can't think of anything else
17:07:51 <cjwatson> scott-work: if you're willing to do that, that's a good short-term option IMO; I don't know exactly what features you lose by doing so
17:07:59 <cjwatson> pitti: main Ubuntu images> agreed
17:08:17 <stgraber> api works to add builds, api to add results should be there this afternoon
17:08:35 <cjwatson> scott-work: perhaps we should have that be downloaded on demand during installation, since it's proprietary?
17:08:47 <cjwatson> or, well, dependent on proprietary bits
17:09:02 <cjwatson> anyway, we can discuss by mail or whatever
17:09:10 <skaet> stgraber,  its looking very good!  Looking forward to it.     One issue is that Drupal7 is not deployed yet it appears,  I'll be requesting it from IS today.
17:09:31 <scott-work> cjwatson: i will look into it and get with you about it later
17:09:35 <stgraber> skaet: thanks
17:10:06 * skaet sees that the threads and questions have wound down...
17:10:31 <Daviey> Surely we have another 20 mins? :)
17:10:34 <skaet> Thanks everyone for participating,  and a big THANK YOU to those who got their status in email before the meeting.  :)
17:10:46 <skaet> #endmeeting