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17:04:03 <pedro_> As always the agenda is available at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting
17:04:14 <pedro_> lets review the action items from previous meeting
17:04:28 <pedro_> bdmurray to create spec for UDS P regarding mentorship program: DONE
17:04:44 <pedro_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-p-bugsquad-mentoring
17:04:47 <pedro_> spec is there ^
17:04:56 <pedro_> and you can read the notes from the discussion on the notes section
17:05:31 <pedro_> we discussed the mentoring program during UDS
17:05:45 <pedro_> and as you can see there there's a few actions that we need to do
17:06:06 <pedro_> so first point, the bugsquad-mentorship group alpha is going to be closed
17:07:17 <pedro_> we haven't seen a lot of work on that team (almost nothing) so we prefer to close it and start doing other tasks in order to grab more contributors
17:07:41 <pedro_> some ideas that were raised in order to have more people contributing to our team:
17:07:56 <pedro_> create videos with easy tasks like: how to confirm a bug
17:08:20 <pedro_> bdmurray, is going to start to create some of those videos but we also need your help
17:08:47 <pedro_> so please keep tune for the call for help on that subject
17:09:26 <SwitchDK> I would be happy to help with "verifying" whether it works for new BugSquad members (being rather new myself)
17:09:47 <pedro_> other idea that was raised : Start doing workshops on parts of the bug triaging process
17:10:15 <pedro_> with things like: how to search for duplicates, send bugs upstream ,etc ,etc
17:10:32 <pedro_> of course we're going to need some teachers to help ;-)
17:10:38 <pedro_> SwitchDK, that'd be great, thanks :-)
17:11:05 <pedro_> and we have some actions to everybody on the BugSquad
17:11:49 <pedro_> We noticed that new contributors tend to ask questions in private , that's ok but we'd like to encourage those to also do it on the public IRC Channel
17:12:46 <pedro_> there's nothing wrong on asking in #ubuntu-bugs, in fact that's the perfect place for questions related to bugs
17:13:03 <pedro_> and remember that there's no dumb questions :-)
17:14:09 <SwitchDK> Should we update the wiki pages to reflect all mentoring is done through the IRC Channel?
17:14:25 <SwitchDK> and there is no official mentor/mentee structure?
17:14:26 <pedro_> SwitchDK, yes, that's something we need to update
17:14:40 <SwitchDK> i can do that
17:14:50 <pedro_> SwitchDK, that'd be amazing! thanks for helping
17:14:57 <SwitchDK> you are welcome
17:15:16 <SwitchDK> when should it be done by?
17:15:35 <pedro_> We also need to start collecting 'easy tasks' for beginners so that's something we are going to start asking on the mailing list
17:16:02 <pedro_> SwitchDK, no rush, by the end of the weekend i think is fine
17:16:21 <SwitchDK> pedro_, ok no problem, i will get it sorted
17:16:28 <pedro_> i guess that's more or less everything from the blueprint
17:16:39 <hggdh> pedro_: popey also offered to create/help create short videos
17:16:43 <pedro_> notes are there in the blueprint itself and in etherpad
17:17:00 <popey> I did!
17:17:01 <pedro_> hggdh, \o/! awesome the more contributors the better :-)
17:17:08 <pedro_> popey, thank you so much :-)
17:17:11 <hggdh> pedro_: and super-popey knows :-)
17:17:31 <pedro_> oh yeah
17:17:33 <popey> just ping me with what you need, sorry, only popped in because of nickname hilight
17:17:42 <pedro_> hggdh, anything else from your side re the blueprint?
17:18:31 <hggdh> pedro_: no. I am to send a note to all regarding the mentorship closure, and this was it, mostly (given popey coming up)
17:18:45 <pedro_> there was also a discussion of the Community team regarding Bugs but i wasn't able to attend
17:18:45 <hggdh> (and all you already highlighted)
17:18:49 <pedro_> hggdh, were you there?
17:18:56 <hggdh> I was there, yes
17:19:14 <pedro_> hggdh, any highlights to share?
17:19:18 <hggdh> we hammered a bit more on the difference between a bug and an user's problem
17:19:42 <hggdh> the biggest point is users usually do not have bugs, but problems/issues
17:20:08 <hggdh> so sites like askubuntu, answers, fora, etc should be the first access
17:20:30 <hggdh> and we would then (magically) promote some to bugs
17:21:01 <hggdh> additionally -- I proposed harvesting the bugs with workarounds, and publishing them on askubuntu (or somewhere else)
17:21:14 <hggdh> I think I also got this action, somewhere
17:21:47 <hggdh> the whole thing is to make it easier for causual users to find answers for their issues
17:21:52 <hggdh> ..
17:22:04 <pedro_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement <- that's the blueprint hggdh is talking about
17:22:07 <hggdh> hell. s/causual/casual/
17:22:34 <pedro_> hggdh, thanks !
17:22:47 <pedro_> ok anybody else, any highlight from UDS you'd like to share?
17:23:07 <hggdh> yw. We will need to formalise a bit on how we mine workarounds, and translation
17:23:56 <pedro_> one of the things that are going to land soon and it looks amazing is the new testing tracker
17:24:12 <hggdh> yeah!
17:24:13 <pedro_> i know some of you guys also contribute to the testing team so if you're interesting have a look to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-p-iso-tracker
17:24:35 <pedro_> it looks really great
17:24:50 <SwitchDK> hggdh, could you please let me know before you sent an email to the ML about mentorship closure. It would be great that you in the same email could mention that the wiki has been updated
17:24:59 <pedro_> like no more creating of multiple accounts, you'll be able to login with your lp id *sweet*
17:25:04 <hggdh> SwitchDK: certainly
17:25:24 <hggdh> and being able to look at previous results
17:26:12 <SwitchDK> is the testing tracker only for QA teams?
17:26:27 <SwitchDK> i don't know what a testing tracker is, sorry for my ignorance
17:26:51 <pedro_> and its going to warn you with an email when a rebuild is going on, so you don't waste time testing something
17:28:01 <hggdh> the testing tracker is, pretty much, a point where the formal tests are described/worked on; anybody can participate. Proposing new tests is still to be discussed, but I would expect something like emailing the ubuntu-qa ML, and working out gain/pain, and feasibility
17:28:27 <pedro_> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ <- testing tracker
17:28:47 <SwitchDK> ah, thanks pedro_ (the penny finally dropped)
17:28:55 <hggdh> (the old one, the new one is still being built)
17:29:08 <pedro_> indeed
17:29:25 <pedro_> Anything else ? any other highlight?
17:29:28 <pedro_> or questions?
17:29:37 <hggdh> one more
17:29:41 <hggdh> er, \o
17:29:56 * pedro_ pass the mic to hggdh
17:30:47 <hggdh> thanks. I was gladly surprised on the community bugs session -- much more people than I expected, and most really interested. So, here goes a thank you for all that participated
17:30:59 <hggdh> ..
17:31:24 <pedro_> oh yes! there was a lot of people participating even remotely so thanks a lot :-)
17:31:51 <pedro_> ok if there's no other comments/questions i think that's all for today
17:31:57 * hggdh is done
17:32:08 <pedro_> remember to stay tune for the call for help on videos/workshops
17:32:19 <pedro_> #endmeeting