#title #ubuntu-meeting Meeting Meeting started by NCommander at 14:59:20 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-06-14.59.log.html . == Meeting summary == ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111006 (NCommander, 15:00:09) ''LINK:'' http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html (NCommander, 15:01:29) *ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) *Kernel status ''LINK:'' https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity (ppisati, 15:15:47) *ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) *ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) *QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) *Linaro Updates (rsalveti) ''LINK:'' https://launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+milestone/11.10 (rsalveti, 15:44:52) *blueprints Meeting ended at 16:02:49 UTC. == Votes == == Action items == * (none) == People present (lines said) == * ogra_ (114) * GrueMaster (35) * NCommander (34) * infinity (29) * rsalveti (24) * ppisati (16) * janimo (15) * davidm (10) * ubottu (4) * meetingology (4) == Full Log == 14:59:20 #startmeeting 14:59:20 Meeting started Thu Oct 6 14:59:20 2011 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. 14:59:20 14:59:20 Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired 15:00:09 [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111006 15:00:55 hi 15:01:29 [link] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html 15:02:28 * davidm waves 15:02:34 i dont think we need to look at specs for O 15:02:38 * NCommander waves back 15:02:41 Yeah 15:02:53 lets use the time at the end to look at ÜP specs instead 15:02:53 [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) 15:03:14 * davidm is upset that the HTC Flyer pricing was a mistake 15:03:30 ogra_: I have nothing drafted for a meeting on it. We can do that next week 15:04:23 server side, I have nothing new to report 15:04:45 NCommander, we need to have the drafts registered by next week 15:04:54 ogra_: I'm aware. 15:04:54 so we need to discuss them today 15:05:01 at least who adds which 15:05:30 ogra_: then I'd appericate it if you had asked me to bring it up before the meeting or even put it on the agenda. 15:05:36 (and i doubt we have anything beyond banshee to discuss at all anyway) 15:05:57 NCommander, will do next time, but that doesnt change the deadline now :) 15:06:06 and you just said you are aware 15:06:25 ogra_: we have the P Blueprints page, and we've gone over it in this meeting before. 15:07:03 right 15:07:16 who registers and drafts which one then ? 15:07:32 i assume david will not do all he has assigned 15:08:15 I'm drafting all the ARM server ones and will assign them after UDS after discussions with the team 15:08:17 sigh. Can we stick to the agenda? I have added Blueprints to the meeting wiki. 15:08:30 NCommander: anything kernel related? 15:08:35 GrueMaster, thanks ! 15:08:41 [topic] Kernel status 15:08:53 ppisati: not to my knowledge, anything to report? 15:09:01 yes, lets stick to the agenda, i didnt mean to start a discussion (since i thought it was clear we have to do it today) 15:09:13 nothing new to report this week 15:09:16 no new ac100 either, I was kind of hoping upstream fixes speaker sound - ongoing 15:09:28 NCommander: nope, that's why i was asking 15:09:32 janimo, its fixed :) 15:09:39 janimo, see #ac100 15:09:51 janimo, time for a zero day SRU i'd say ;) 15:10:00 (after some testing) 15:10:01 ogra_, well, marvin says one more patch is pening 15:10:07 pending 15:10:10 k 15:10:27 If the patchset is small, I'd accept it today. :P 15:10:34 But 0-day works too. 15:10:39 ppisati, xranby reported stability issues on omap4 15:11:00 i assume GrueMaster doesnt do many heavy load tests so that went unnoticed it seems 15:11:05 indeed, would be nice to have it for release 15:11:12 janimo, ++ 15:11:15 ogra_: i'll ping him 15:11:25 great, there should also be a bug open already 15:11:25 ogra_: I haven't been able to get past the installer on dailys. 15:11:36 GrueMaster, yeah, thats what i mean :) 15:11:56 omap4? 15:11:59 yep 15:12:03 panda 15:12:19 uhm 15:12:36 on cdimage i don't see any daily for omap (that is not a preinstalled one) 15:13:01 ppisati: All our images are preinstalled. 15:13:13 except netboot 15:13:14 btw, today i reinstalled an omap4 preinstalled and it was ok 15:13:25 ppisati:The installer I am referring to is oem-config. It is part of Ubiquity. 15:13:25 great to hear ! 15:13:36 but yes, couldn;'t get ubiquity to start 15:13:41 And is part of every preinstalled image. 15:13:59 ppisati: Couldn't get it to start? 15:14:03 nope 15:14:05 crash 15:14:22 ppisati: Was there a bug filed? 15:15:04 infinity: didn't check, i thought there was something wrong on my side 15:15:29 Possibly. 15:15:47 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity 15:16:01 but it seems there are quite a bit open 15:16:03 bugs 15:17:28 [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) 15:17:36 banshee ! :) 15:18:05 so lets make a decision ... since RC doesnt happen today we have a bit wiggle room 15:18:09 GrueMaster: and I did some work on finding the root of the crash and some workaround attempts Allailed 15:18:16 Sadly, it builds. It even installs. 15:18:37 NCommander, GrueMaster do you see any chance for a fix (even an SRU) in time ? 15:18:44 ogra_: I say we ship withe banshee despite the breakge. Changing el seeds is el suidice IMHO at this point 15:18:50 if not i'll change the seeds right after meeting 15:19:04 NCommander, i have approval and RB was tested 15:19:07 ogra_: I think the odds are on par with you quitting smoking:-/ 15:19:08 what is the status on banshee 15:19:22 I don't want to ship broken as it could be months for an SRU 15:19:22 i only want to ship banshee if there are realistic chances that we can get a fix 15:19:32 RB doesn't support ubuntuone from what I could tell. 15:19:53 GrueMaster: it should 15:20:01 davidcalle, i'll happily ship it broken if i can get a word from NCommander that there is a chance for a zero day SRU or some such 15:20:03 RB support predated bansheesupport 15:20:07 The banshee issue feels like a missing package or setting issue. 15:20:10 It does not but I don't care working player beats broken player with unknown repair 15:20:15 if thats clearly impossible lets drop it 15:20:48 the less dependence on a framework known to be dodgy on ARM, the happiler I am 15:20:48 so its all based on michaels judgement 15:21:07 ogra_: you gotapproval to ship RB. Make it happen 15:21:19 NCommander, what is the likely hood of a fix by next Thursday? 15:21:22 and since he said that i would stop smoking before it gets fixyed ... 15:21:44 * ogra_ lights a cigarette and opens a terminal in the seeds dir :) 15:22:00 davidm: Unlikely. Its crashing in pure mono code, and I've yet to get mdb to work properly under ARM 15:22:15 davidm: nor has GrueMaster managed to getone going throguh MonoDevelop 15:22:16 yeah, lets keep banshee for P :) 15:22:52 how about ftbfs beyond banshee ? 15:22:54 davidm: The fix could happen as early as today or as late as it takes. In my opinion, it is not an easy nut to crack, even with debugging symbols. 15:23:03 OK then lets pursue RB for release, and fix banshee later if at all possible 15:23:09 yep 15:23:25 or concentrate on having a rock solid banshee in P 15:23:32 and dont waste time on O 15:23:35 [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) 15:23:49 they build and work 15:23:54 for everyone bug GrueMaster 15:24:03 For most people. 15:24:42 s/bug/but even 15:24:52 mx5 is very slow though 15:24:56 janimo, how is mx5 ? 15:24:59 heh, snap 15:25:08 I have yet to get through oem-config without it respawning several times. 15:25:09 everyone who tested it says the same 15:25:15 well, it installs and its a "tech preview" 15:25:16 on omap4. 15:25:25 GrueMaster, for me once it respanwed was the sign the system was installed 15:25:37 but hmm, maybe not ocnsistently 15:25:37 janimo, that doesnt help 15:25:41 I know 15:25:50 I believe the mx5 issues are swap related. I seemed to get a bit better performance once I had a working swapfile. 15:25:57 since you still have jasper and ubiquity installed then 15:26:17 And no user account some of the time. 15:26:21 GrueMaster, but it has ~800Mb of RAM no? The beagle was snappier with less RAM 15:26:28 GrueMaster, oh, intresting 15:26:38 that indicates that it breaks reaqlly really early 15:26:41 janimo: I thought it only had 512 15:27:06 868432 15:27:40 bug 868432 15:27:43 Launchpad bug 868432 in SchoolTool Gradebook "• one of Worksheets view or Worksheet's title edit view show unstranslated value " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868432 15:27:53 ogra_: No, that was the amount of RAM on an mx53loco. :P 15:27:54 hmm 15:27:58 lol 15:28:35 NCommander, move ? 15:28:35 On my system, last time I tried an image it failed to load the panel and several other issues until I had a working swapfile. 15:28:49 Well, swap is back on again. 15:28:53 well, swap should be back 15:29:16 I'll test today's image in a bit. 15:30:43 [tpic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) 15:30:46 we 15:30:57 [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) 15:32:16 I have spent most of the week tracking down the banshee issue. I have ruled out possible SMP issues and for the most part, mono core and addons work from what I can tell by running other apps. 15:32:17 GrueMaster: anything tobring up 15:33:12 I have also been trying to get some feedback from banshee developers on the #banshee channel on irc.gnome.org. 15:33:25 Will continue on those tracks today. 15:33:42 k anything else? 15:33:56 Daily image for today just booted through oem-config for me (and there was much rejoicing). 15:34:20 Although there is a crash report I'll need to look at. 15:35:13 Is unity-2d supposed to use the same settings as Unity for hiding the panel? If so - fail. 15:35:40 crash appears to be oem-config. Maybe I'll have something useful to report on it.finally. 15:35:55 i think the default is "2" in dconf-editor 15:36:05 not sure which hide behavior that sets :P 15:36:45 but there should be a description in the editor 15:37:00 Ugh. Can't report crash on oem-config because libgtk2.0-0 is out of date. 15:37:25 There was no description in gconf-editor for that key. 15:37:34 dconf... 15:37:40 gconf is dead 15:37:43 At least none that I saw. 15:37:49 ok 15:37:54 Will look later. 15:38:00 if you still have gconf settings anywhere thats a bug 15:38:01 Nothing else here. 15:38:43 Once this new apt builds, I might spin a new set of images. 15:38:53 Installer performance will seem a bit snappier. 15:39:14 For a 6 minute period or so that update-apt-xapian-index isn't killing your SD in the background. :P 15:40:29 I would ask that everyone on the team with a working panda please try to do some testing with the daily desktop image. I am seeing too many crashes for a good release. 15:41:23 * ogra_ didnt see any in the last image he tested 15:41:36 that was a few days after beta 15:42:13 Hence why I said "daily". Beta was 2 weeks ago. 15:42:35 Oh, we need to get on ndec's case about the ti-omap-extras stuff actually existing for oneiric. 15:43:06 GrueMaster, yes, i tested a dail 15:43:08 y 15:43:10 as i said 15:43:23 a few days after ... 15:43:36 today's daily. A lot of packages have changed in the last two weeks. 15:43:43 sure 15:44:08 6th Oct daily + morning dist-upgrade = ubiquity crash (at least here) 15:44:12 [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti) 15:44:18 Just filed bug 869284. 15:44:20 Launchpad bug 869284 in geoclue (Ubuntu) "geoclue-master crashed with signal 5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/869284 15:44:27 * rsalveti waves 15:44:37 i think i saw evan talk about that issue today 15:44:50 not much to report from the Linaro side this week, besides the planning for the 11.10 cycle 15:44:52 https://launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+milestone/11.10 15:45:40 jcrigby pushed the fix for bug 867670 and bug 867650 15:45:42 Launchpad bug 867670 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu) "OMAP 4460 based pandas run too hot at current operating point" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867670 15:45:43 Launchpad bug 867650 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu) "OMAP4 eMMC support is missing" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/867650 15:45:44 but as SRU 15:45:55 still in progress 15:45:56 rsalveti, how is the move to oneiric going ? 15:46:10 rsalveti: I need to talk to him about that. 15:46:29 rsalveti: But the fixes he pushed looked entirely suitable for release. 15:46:31 ogra_: we're still blocked with bugs at the linaro-image-tools 15:46:38 :( 15:46:45 infinity: is it critical enough for the releasE? 15:46:57 ogra_: but we expect to have working images next week 15:47:05 we too :) 15:47:22 rsalveti: Did we not want 4460 to work with oneiric images? 15:47:27 I'll also make sure the unity3d packages are in place, so we can demonstrate it with oneiric + latest sgx packages 15:47:31 rsalveti: It's not like we're respinning images post-release. 15:47:42 * ogra_ hugs rsalveti 15:47:58 rsalveti, if you need me for PPA copying or anything, ping me 15:48:06 (for 3D) 15:48:07 infinity: yeah, there's one issue for 4460 that might be important for the release 15:48:18 ogra_: sure, I'll let you know when I get it all working 15:48:22 rsalveti: The overheating one, at least. But I thought I saw another. 15:48:25 but I should be able to have a PPA for that 15:48:35 rsalveti: Still, the installer setting your board on fire is bad enough. :P 15:48:43 infinity: yup :-) 15:48:50 infinity: let's talk about this at #ubuntu-arm then 15:48:51 rsalveti, well, they eventually need to end up in the ti ppa 15:49:04 meh. Self-heating. 15:49:09 ogra_: oh, that's fine by me, thought we would like a separated ppa for that 15:49:29 well, winter is near in the northern hemisphere ... probably the pandas know that ;) 15:49:45 once I have the packages all working I'll let you know, then we can make sure it lands at the proper ppa 15:49:51 * GrueMaster looks outside. Near? 15:49:53 rsalveti, well, whatever works, effectively panda is the only thing we can run it on atm 15:50:01 yeah 15:50:18 so it makes sense to put it in the TI one i think 15:51:00 sure, and it's already enabled by default once you installed the sgx drivers 15:51:01 :-) 15:51:12 right 15:51:51 that's all from my side 15:51:58 NCommander, move 15:52:02 next week I should have all the planning for connect/uds in place 15:52:10 at least from my side 15:52:57 NCommander, move ! 15:53:12 time is running out and we need to get the specs assigned 15:54:01 davidm, did you see the recent additions to the spec ideas page ? 15:54:29 * ogra_ gets the feeling he talks to an empty room 15:55:03 * rsalveti is still around, but not important anymore 15:55:09 ogra_, nope have not 15:55:26 I'll have a look 15:55:27 davidcalle, see the two smagoun buts at the bottom 15:55:40 that looks like linaro material 15:55:57 [topic blueprints 15:56:06 so NCommander said he'd take all server specs and have them registered next week 15:56:25 [chair] ogra_ 15:56:25 Current chairs: NCommander ogra_ 15:56:25 infinity, are you taking the HF spec ? 15:56:36 * infinity looks. 15:56:44 since you do the work i guess ... 15:56:45 But I imagine I am. Didn't know there was one. :P 15:56:51 it just says armhf _) 15:57:09 Ahh. Kay. 15:57:12 Yeah, I'll take that. 15:57:18 * ogra_ still doesnt know what "linaro arm boot " is supposed to mean 15:57:32 davidm, can we skip that one until its clear what it means ? 15:58:05 then we have "ARM ISO install for non-mmc hardware" 15:58:12 Does smagoun realize that an emulated live-build is likely to be slower than the real thing? 15:58:16 who wants that ? i suspect its just d-i images 15:58:35 ogra_, I think that means 'arm boot speed' 15:58:38 infinity, i think he doesnt want qemu, they used it in the past 15:58:45 janimo, linaro arm boot ? 15:58:49 ogra_: He has to have qemu. 15:58:54 janimo, do you want to take it ? 15:58:56 ogra_, yes. I think so 15:59:00 ogra_: His packages won't magically install on x86. 15:59:04 and find out if thats true ? 15:59:15 ogra_, well it is a postponed one from O so I guess I'll do something related still 15:59:17 infinity, well, qemu-arm-static ... 15:59:23 ogra_: Still qemu. 15:59:32 janimo, a postponed one ? 15:59:38 oh, yours 15:59:39 ogra_: Anyhow, I should probably take smagoun's specs, so I can shoot them down as crack. 15:59:40 indeed 15:59:42 ogra_, yes 15:59:52 infinity, well, one is clearly linaro 16:00:13 infinity, unless smagoun is going to do the work 16:00:24 the package cross build stuff was already discussed art ubuntu-devel 16:00:41 which he apparently doesnt read, else he could have participated :) 16:01:02 davidm, do we expect achiang to work on the spec he proposed ? 16:01:09 i think he is oem 16:01:19 else one of us has to take the firefox elfhack one 16:02:14 I think our time's up. 16:02:18 well, that doesnt go anywhere here, lets adjourn, i'll assign specs that have no owner 16:02:44 * ogra_ thinks him holding monologues to the team with only infinity participating is a waste of time 16:02:49 #endmeeting Generated by MeetBot 0.1.5 (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot)