16:06:09 #startmeeting 16:06:09 Meeting started Tue Sep 27 16:06:09 2011 UTC. The chair is utlemming. 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16:09:57 hggdh: ah, can you comment? 16:11:26 I have not seen it yet -- was pretty much out for the beginning of last week, and then we have beta 2 16:11:31 utlemming: perhaps hggdh is having net troubles, lets come back. 16:11:40 reload the page, utlemming 16:11:53 there was a action item there (that i updated like 32 seconds ago) 16:12:06 ah, thank you kindly smoser 16:12:10 I will look at it this afternoon -- seems to be not difficult to set up 16:12:13 the prior action was hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before 16:12:16 Launchpad bug 750371 in squid (Ubuntu Maverick) "squid causing /var to stay busy during shutdown" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750371 16:12:27 utlemming should have known that. 16:12:32 hggdh: okay, can you sync up with Clint soon? 16:12:39 Daviey: yes, will do 16:13:01 super! 16:13:02 utlemming: next? 16:13:14 #action hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before 16:13:14 * meetingology hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before 16:13:16 Launchpad bug 750371 in squid (Ubuntu Maverick) "squid causing /var to stay busy during shutdown" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/750371 16:13:23 #topic Oneiric Development 16:13:34 Daviey: how is Oneiric moving along? 16:13:59 Dandy! 16:14:08 We don't have that many knowns still to deal with 16:14:14 I would like to run through them 16:14:29 bug 655533, needs someone to work on it 16:14:30 Launchpad bug 655533 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[master] package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655533 16:14:50 install likewise-open on natty, and do an upgrade test to oneiric 16:14:50 any volunteers? 16:15:48 I took an initial look at it, but was unable to replicate it. 16:15:50 nobody? 16:16:01 Daviey: lemme take a look at it 16:16:04 Okay, i'll take that to.. 16:16:13 ok, great jamespage to the rescue! 16:16:27 #action jamespage to look at bug 655533 16:16:27 * meetingology jamespage to look at bug 655533 16:16:28 Launchpad bug 655533 in likewise-open (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[master] package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655533 16:16:30 bug 801494, is blocked on the udev bug 16:16:30 Launchpad bug 801494 in Ubuntu "Multi part LVM layout: system fails to boot due to missing volumes" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801494 16:16:34 we think it might be the same issue 16:16:48 We could try adam_g's or hallyn's hack fix.. to prove it 16:17:13 mine is not for the more general udev bug, only for vgchange hangs during boot 16:17:22 ah 16:17:26 i've not been able to deduce a cause for the udev hang 16:17:33 that one has no lvm portion to it 16:17:44 i've reproduce bug 833783 with an additional 'udevadm settle'. 16:17:45 Launchpad bug 833783 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "boot failure: can't open /root/dev/console: no such file" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/833783 16:17:48 and it's heisenbug from hell 16:17:58 jamespage: would you be able to sync with adam to try to reproduce it with a sleep()? 16:18:06 basically, we *know* that the fix suggested only reduces the window for error. 16:18:25 Daviey: yep 16:18:32 right i'm not happy with papering over 16:18:35 adam_g, verified that 'udevadm --exit' drops events. 16:18:48 smoser: Yep, but if we can prove it's the same issue - we are happy. 16:18:53 can we get some jhunt help this week? 16:19:09 hallyn: he is looking at it today 16:19:13 awesome! 16:19:15 \o/ 16:19:16 I have raised it as a prioritty issue. 16:19:31 Daviey, just to clarify, you're suggesting that adding 'sleep X' in a race condition would "prove" something :) 16:19:50 smoser: I'm suggesting that it proves it to be the same bug. 16:20:01 i dont think so. 16:20:08 smoser: Do you disagree that is the best action? 16:20:30 i dont knwo what it would buy us 16:20:32 seriously. 16:20:40 it would mean that we know that timing changes things 16:20:42 which we know 16:20:48 and as we speak I just hit it again :-/ 16:21:11 OK - I have a system I can reproduce that but 100% of the time on - lemme catchup with adam_g and jhunt to see what the best way forwards is 16:21:16 i'm not *just* being a jerk. 16:21:18 i'm serious 16:21:28 smoser: Okay.. i disagree.. if we can work around it in a development enviroment, to prove it is the same issue, we can mark it as a dupe. 16:21:41 Then we can move on, and verify once jhunt has done his magic. 16:22:09 smoser: Rather than saying we are doing it wrong, suggestions for an action are more constructive. 16:22:24 It seems cheap to reproduce it with the sleep hack. 16:22:25 Daviey: it's not smoser's fault there isn't a better answer for now :) 16:22:28 i'm suggesting you save time. 16:22:39 Daviey: I think for now we keep them non-duped, and hope that the fix for one fixes the other 16:22:43 smoser: seriosuly, how long does it take to test the sleep? 16:22:46 and not spend time trying to get more information that would lead you to the same amount of un-knowledge. 16:22:59 but, sure, try 'sleep 3'. 16:23:00 Daviey: I'm more worried about erroneously marking something as a dup. that usually turns out bad 16:23:05 cause 3 is a magic number. 16:23:14 i.e., there might be a fix for bug 1, but someone testing for bug 2 says "that's not a good fix" 16:23:15 hallyn, +1 16:23:15 we've probably wasted more time arguing the toss about this, than we would have JFDI'ing it. 16:23:17 Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 16:23:18 Error: Launchpad bug 2 could not be found 16:23:22 i'll stop now. 16:23:40 Daviey: it's not about waste of time testing. I think you should not mark it a dup based on that test. 16:23:49 putting in a comment with the result, though, is helpful. 16:23:55 hallyn: Which is why i suggested we check it when the udev fix lands, but at least i can mentally consider it a dupe - and start worrying less about it. 16:24:04 Daviey: sounds good :) 16:24:32 let's table the current discussion and move on 16:24:34 moving on.. 16:24:38 #action Daviey, smoser, hallyn to follow up on bug 801494 16:24:38 * meetingology Daviey, smoser, hallyn to follow up on bug 801494 16:24:39 Launchpad bug 801494 in Ubuntu "Multi part LVM layout: system fails to boot due to missing volumes" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/801494 16:24:47 bug 827496, ikonia has offered to try and resolve 16:24:48 Launchpad bug 827496 in cobbler (Ubuntu) "cobbler kickstart metadata dont affect ubuntu preseed " [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827496 16:25:10 and i believe bug 831121.. He might want a hand, so listen out to cries for help. 16:25:11 Launchpad bug 831121 in dovecot-antispam (Ubuntu Oneiric) "dovecot-antispam version 1.4~rc3-1 failed to build in oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831121 16:25:40 bug 832507, rbasak - have you been able to prepare a trunk patch? 16:25:42 Launchpad bug 832507 in nova (Ubuntu) "console.log grows indefinitely" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832507 16:26:03 Yes, I have one that I think works 16:26:39 jdstrand has the libvirt fix ready now. I still need to see the whole system working for myself and test the edge cases 16:26:40 rbasak: Are you likely going to be able to push a merge proposal to upstream trunk by EoD? 16:27:19 No, the patch isn't ready for upstream 16:27:23 rbasak, can you point us at your current branch ? 16:27:40 smoser: he's created a PPA based on the staged upload 16:27:48 which we should be able to test in the lab. 16:28:02 (with libvirt disabled, or jdstrands patch) 16:28:05 I found a bug in the PPA, I made an error during one of my many rebases 16:28:07 branch ? 16:28:23 The latest branch I have is git, against nova's git upstream. I can push that to github if you'd like to see it? 16:28:40 yeah, please. i'm just curious. 16:29:00 fwiw I'm still trying to figure out bug 842845 - something's funky in the nova->libvirt bindings i think. the container is running, nova doesn't know about it. 16:29:01 Launchpad bug 842845 in libvirt (Ubuntu Oneiric) "problems starting multiple lxc instances concurrently" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842845 16:29:14 hallyn: that was the next bug on my hit list 16:29:15 :) 16:29:40 hallyn: Is it still viable for a fix in Oneiric release? 16:30:04 Daviey: I think so. It seems like it should be a simple misunderstanding somewhere 16:30:32 but i need time to figure out how nova is getting and interpreting log data from the container startup 16:30:35 hallyn: Great.. do keep the bug updated with status. :) 16:30:41 when i get some i will :) 16:30:57 hallyn: If you want some help, do shout. 16:30:57 moving on.. 16:31:02 thx 16:31:04 bug 827590 smoser, is that fix committed to the staged branch? 16:31:05 Launchpad bug 827590 in nova (Ubuntu Oneiric) "cloud-init does not mount ephemeral0 on /mnt in nova" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827590 16:31:33 i'm fairly sure that is fix-released 16:32:00 updted 16:32:19 smoser: if this is not the case, can you re-open? 16:32:34 smoser: https://github.com/basak/nova/commits/master/ 16:32:44 bug 845788 16:32:46 Launchpad bug 845788 in glance (Ubuntu) "update_image in glance.client doesn't add content-length so the swift backend can't chunk" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845788 16:33:00 smoser: ^^ status? 16:33:00 thank you rbasak 16:33:15 zul, are you ok for me to upload that ? 16:33:51 (I will probably revise/squash this) 16:33:53 or is there something else you were wanting to get in there... zul.. 16:34:14 rbasak, well, for better or worse, with gerrit and openstack, all merge commits are squashed ! 16:34:32 sounds like fun :) 16:34:41 smoser: take it out-of-meeting, but if we can get that Fix Released by this time tomorrow it would be good. 16:34:42 smoser: i need to go through the list for glance/nova to make sure we arent missing that we should have 16:34:44 * smoser is embarrased as he has to admit that bzr does a better job of merging branches than git does ... at least that gerrit uses. 16:35:59 bug 856530 , adam_g has a merge proposal .. does someone in ~ubuntu-server-dev / ~core-dev want to review that? 16:36:00 Launchpad bug 856530 in nova (Ubuntu Oneiric) "nova user should not be in the nogroup group" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856530 16:36:30 okay, i'll do that 16:36:43 bug 854614 smoser, fixed in staged branch? 16:36:45 Launchpad bug 854614 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "metadata service local-hostname is not fqdn" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854614 16:36:45 Daviey: i did this morning its already been merged 16:36:51 merged as well 16:36:56 zul: ok, great! 16:37:22 Now, what other bugs are we missing? 16:37:40 the samba winbind one i need to look at 16:37:47 checking 16:38:09 it would appear to be 16:38:12 and the need to fix keystone apparently 16:38:17 zul: bug number? 16:38:29 Daviey: dont have it off the top of my head 16:38:43 zul: can you let me know what it is after the meeting? 16:38:52 Daviey: ack 16:39:14 zul: I suspect SI will be helping with keystone.. shame they are not in the meeting. 16:39:45 i suspect most of the issues i already fixed in the upstream branch anyways 16:40:01 just need to roll a new tarball 16:40:17 Any Juju people here? 16:40:40 wait. roll a new tarball ? 16:40:45 of what ? 16:40:53 smoser: keystone bug fixes 16:41:56 Daviey: SI is in the meeting :) 16:42:05 * smoser publicly apologizes for not understanding completely the bug that he was discussing above, and for being rude to daviey. 16:42:15 smoser: shut up. :) 16:42:28 #action smoser and daviey to make up 16:42:28 * meetingology smoser and daviey to make up 16:42:30 Daviey: negronjl is working with iamfuzz in order to provide a keystone patch (coordinating with zul) 16:42:35 lol 16:42:43 lynxman: Great! 16:42:47 Still on "Oneiric Development" ? you guys been discussing the weather in here? 16:42:47 Ursinha: we'll take pictures 16:43:04 Ursinha: have anything concerning you? 16:43:08 there is lots of oneiric development to discuss. 16:43:16 Daviey, not really no, sir 16:43:27 SpamapS: Ah! Anything juju of concern? 16:44:12 utlemming: we should probably move on. 16:44:18 I'd like to point out bugs #818177 and #854899 16:44:18 Just as an FYI, I'm finishing up some intense testing of juju before uploading the renamed package today.. 16:44:20 Launchpad bug 854899 in puppet (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to puppet-2.7.3" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854899 16:44:21 Launchpad bug 818177 in udev (Ubuntu Oneiric) "boot failures caused by udev race" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818177 16:44:36 SpamapS: great, I'll tailgate you on that one for macports 16:44:38 SpamapS: awesome 16:44:53 If anyone has any other Oneiric development topics, please feel free to add to the agenda later. 16:44:56 There will also be an FFe for another revision of Juju which will basically be the "eureka" release of Juju .. including local dev and some repository stuff. 16:44:57 Moving on... 16:45:05 #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events 16:45:08 lynxman: yes, bug 818177 was the one i was really hoping jhunt would look at 16:45:14 lynxman: You do realise most of the meeting has been talking about the second bug you mentioned? :) 16:45:28 Daviey: I know, but still I had to ;) 16:45:29 Events! 16:45:41 I believe that there is an Open Stack event next week 16:45:52 utlemming: ODS next week in Boston 16:45:52 ODS 16:45:52 http://summit.openstack.org/ - lots of the team will be there. 16:45:56 (I should mention that today is the deadline for raising blueprints for that summit) 16:46:07 Have we raised any? 16:46:20 yeah 2 16:46:23 I may throw one in about S3 test suite for swift and/or using CEPH 16:46:37 #action Deadline for ODS is today 16:46:37 * meetingology Deadline for ODS is today 16:46:46 I have one pending. 16:46:46 maybe 2. lets take that out of meeting 16:46:48 When does Oneiric release by the way? 16:46:48 Given the significant tap dancing we've had to do to make juju work with nova-objectstore since its "s3-like" 16:47:04 If there are no other events, lets move on 16:47:10 #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) 16:47:11 UDS! 16:47:21 Its close enough to mention UDS :) 16:47:36 hggdh: Hello! 16:47:50 Daviey: yo 16:48:02 hggdh: Do you have any news for us? 16:48:03 utlemming: move on, we'll come back 16:48:08 no, no news 16:48:11 .. 16:48:13 #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) 16:48:17 Trying to make it shortish: seems at least there is an upstream fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/854050 16:48:19 Ubuntu bug 854050 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/mm/swapfile.c:255" [Medium,Confirmed] 16:48:25 currently building test kernel there 16:48:33 smb, so does that bug actually happen when there is no swap ? 16:48:45 Otherwise trying to find out where the events on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen/+bug/854829 go 16:48:46 Ubuntu bug 854829 in xen (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] Xen HVM: transmit timeouts on emulated 8139cp device" [Medium,Confirmed] 16:49:09 smoser, In theory it may 16:49:26 i just wrote it off as not affecting amd64 on ec2 due to "swapfile.c" 16:49:32 But maybe not causing the same path to trigger 16:49:52 smb: bug 790712 ? 16:49:54 Launchpad bug 790712 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "20110531 i386 server ISO: order 5 allocation failure during install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790712 16:49:58 Daviey, no 16:49:58 (there is no swap on amd64 instances on ec2 unless the user configures it, which is unlikely) 16:50:37 smoser, The explanation somehow was referring to forking under high load which may having some effect in all cases 16:51:04 smb: bug-790712 is not still viable for release? SRU/P-Series target? 16:51:08 smoser, But I would just empirically let people affected try with a test kernel and that patch 16:51:17 yeah. 16:51:43 #action smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 790712 16:51:43 * meetingology smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 790712 16:51:45 Launchpad bug 790712 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "20110531 i386 server ISO: order 5 allocation failure during install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790712 16:51:46 smb: Those two you raised, are they viable for release or SRU/P-series? 16:51:48 Daviey, There was not much more information since the last time I looked. So as I wrote it is hard to make something off that 16:52:05 i think that was the wrong bug number. 16:52:26 #action smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 854050 16:52:26 * meetingology smoser, utlemming and smb to follow up on Bug 854050 16:52:27 yah, utlemming 16:52:27 Launchpad bug 854050 in linux (Ubuntu) "BUG at /build/buildd/linux-2.6.38/mm/swapfile.c:255" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854050 16:52:36 Daviey, first one probably SRU (because it also needs to go into older releases) 16:52:46 And since we're going to run out of time, let's get moving 16:53:01 hggdh: I think smb could do with your re-confirmation on bug 790712 16:53:02 Launchpad bug 790712 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "20110531 i386 server ISO: order 5 allocation failure during install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790712 16:53:03 Daviey, Second one probably too since I not yet found the trigger. But maybe 16:53:34 smb: Anything else? 16:53:40 smb: Okay, thanks! Really appreciate you and your teams stability you have given this cycle. 16:53:43 no, dont think 16:53:46 Daviey, smb: I will retry it. Since it is sort-of random, I will run a full sequence 16:53:47 #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander) 16:54:00 NCommander: how is the arm world looking? 16:54:08 Looking good towards releasae 16:54:16 \o/ 16:54:24 Few minor bugs in the netboot install, but otherwise no complaints from me 16:54:31 bug 852225 16:54:33 Launchpad bug 852225 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ARM kernel writing 32bits to 16 bit register" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852225 16:54:39 woot! fix released. 16:54:44 NCommander: any speciic issues/bugs? 16:54:56 utlemming, does that mean those images now boot under qemu ? 16:54:58 :( the lastest qemu images don't boot though, so I need to look at why 16:55:04 NCommander: bug 827705, invalid for u-boot.. is that correct? 16:55:06 Launchpad bug 827705 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu) "PXE boot requests non-standard config filename" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/827705 16:55:20 Daviey: guided partition on omap(4) doesn't work peroperly don't have bug number handy 16:55:21 #action utlemming to figure out qemu image situation 16:55:21 * meetingology utlemming to figure out qemu image situation 16:55:31 Daviey: I'm unfamiliar with that bug in question, will get back with you 16:55:38 NCommander: what are the minor bug numbers? 16:55:50 NCommander: thanks 16:56:15 NCommander: When you find that bug number, can you send it over to me please? 16:57:21 if there is nothing else, shall we move on? 16:57:29 #topic Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community 16:57:45 Do any of our community friends have any topics to raise? 16:58:35 Can we go home now? 16:58:35 [TOPIC] Open Discussion 16:58:49 Daviey: I suppose 16:58:56 I thik we had "open discussion" already TBH 16:59:02 lol, I think so too 16:59:03 [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time 16:59:20 cobbler-enlist support is doing well. 16:59:29 Daviey: ^5 16:59:29 so, next week 16:59:37 Tuesday 2011-10-04 at 16:00 UTC 16:59:44 Many of us will be at ODSm but i think the meeting still needs to happen 17:00:02 I will certainly be here, at least in part. 17:00:24 #endmeeting