21:08 #startmeeting [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #3 21:08 Meeting started Sun Jul 6 21:08:56 2014 UTC. The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 21:08 21:08 Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 21:10 okay, so it seems I'm the only one here?! 21:15 hello 21:16 cla_, hi :) 21:17 Noskcaj, darkxst are you there?! 21:17 i am from argetina using ubuntu 14! 21:17 cla_, welcome and good to know that :) 21:18 Good luck with your match with Netherlands :D 21:19 Hmm, can't find anyone ... we have our weekly meeting for Ubuntu GNOME but guess no one is here :( too bad, too sad. 21:19 you are kind 21:19 cla_, , thank you :) are you using Ubuntu GNOME?! 21:19 I used it it looks very good 21:20 cla_, I'm glad to know that :) 21:20 i ve got several pc using it 21:20 amazing 21:20 mine is using pardus 21:20 cla_, see this http://ubuntugnome.org/learn-about-ubuntu-gnome-community/ 21:21 ok 21:22 i haven't got any mistake 21:23 that is great to know 21:23 the link I sent you is useful, I'd suggest to add that to your bookmarks :) 21:23 i wanted to say hello, i gat to leave! 21:23 cla_, that is so kind and nice of you :) feel free to join our mailing list or IRC channel :) 21:24 bye bye 21:24 hola 21:25 satya, finally!! 21:25 :) 21:25 I was about to KILL YOU ALL :P 21:25 why? 21:25 I'm here for 20 mins :( 21:25 who else is? 21:25 why? hmmm, maybe because we have a meeting? :D 21:25 we're alone ... 21:26 really??? 21:26 I sent an email ... it seems everyone is ZzZz 21:26 hmm... 21:26 okay, let's start 21:26 yup 21:26 I will end it on time which is after 35mins 21:26 sure 21:26 #topic Artwork 21:27 so, Mr. Acting :P 21:27 any update? 21:27 hope you didn't forget that you're acting TL now :D 21:27 nothing. but alfredo had sent you an email 21:27 nope. I remember 21:27 right, which I had no time to read :( I just saw the subject :( 21:28 oh, they were the website mockups 21:28 so if you approve, we can proceed to the work 21:28 I'm reading now 21:28 nicey 21:28 I'm done with reading but didn't open the mockups yet 21:28 we can't vote now :( it is just me and you 21:28 hmmm, it is good idea to play the bad guy here heheheh 21:29 yeah. no issues :D 21:29 they didn't attend so I will vote :P 21:29 just kidding 21:29 lol 21:29 hehehe 21:29 could we also get votes through the ML? 21:30 satya, interesting = http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B/o 21:31 loading 21:31 satya, yeah, why not but here is faster and easier 21:31 where? 21:31 here 21:31 here is better 21:31 the idea is nice 21:32 but I guess we can do better? 21:32 I have few points to share if I may :) 21:32 yeah, sure. would be nice 21:32 (1) the current theme/color we're using ... this is the default for 14.04 ... what if we change that for 14.10 and 15.04 and so on? 21:33 my point is, why not have something that can be used always without the need to change it every cycle? 21:33 we need a consistent brand color and theme 21:33 why? 21:33 alfredo had a document with the color guidelines 21:33 satya, I shall not approve the use of the same wallpaper for 14.10 :P :P 21:33 because we need to be consistent to be recognizable 21:34 satya, okay, but I hope you see my point 21:34 kidding aside, the current wallpaper is for UG 14.04 21:34 am I right? 21:34 it's not about the wallpaper, but the color palette. if you are talking about the strip there, I guess we can update it every release or so 21:35 I'm talking about the wallpaper of the website 21:35 or have an image which is not the wallpaper 21:35 yeah, I get it, the strip below the header 21:35 yep 21:35 satya, that is the one, phew :D 21:36 are we going to change that every 6 months? here is the Q 21:36 so, here is the idea, either use a completely separate image, or change it every 6 months 21:36 hmm 21:36 using a different image is a good idea 21:36 I can't even use my full authority now :D 21:36 but that must represent Ubuntu GNOME somehow 21:36 I can't vote for that alone 21:37 o/ 21:37 hello ahoneybun 21:37 ahoneybun, hey :) 21:37 hey satya amjjawad 21:37 :) 21:37 satya, okay, I won't be the stubborn leader :D I'll be easy going 21:38 so, amjjwad, we can perhaps take the votes through mailing list, since more people can vote there? 21:38 #action decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle 21:38 * meetingology decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle 21:38 satya, done ;) 21:39 great :) 21:39 also, about the mockups, I would love if there were 2-3 different types, but you know, designing is not an easy task 21:39 it requires time, and we have very little 21:39 satya, you guys are 'not' supposed to do it alone :( 21:39 here is an issue that we had last cycle 21:39 I have asked your team to communicate :( 21:39 yes? 21:40 yet, it i snot happening :( 21:40 communicate about what? 21:40 you're acting now. If you need anything, you can ask me or Alfredo or Tim 21:40 or to whom? 21:40 Communicate with those who are supposed to work on the new website design :( 21:40 yup. sure. 21:40 and the rest of the team. 21:41 I don't want to but the burden on your shoulders alone, this is not fair. 21:41 and you just stated that you guys have little time :( 21:41 yeah, but again, we sent it to the ML too. 21:41 hmmm 21:41 that is the problem 21:41 that we need a design 21:41 you sent it to Artwork ML 21:42 not the 'main' one 21:42 I sent the mockup to Artwork ML to get the internal feedback first 21:42 anyway, I'd love the idea of having 3 different designs to choose from 21:42 I know 21:42 you need the feedback for your design 21:42 we need 2 more :) 21:43 okay, how long time do we have for this? 21:43 now that alfredo and me have the designs, we can send it to the main ML, and get feedback 21:43 I don't think the website has anything to do with feature freeze or whatever? 21:43 I must check that with darkxst 21:43 I'm not sure, but I think Neil had said he will be busier in coming days 21:43 #action amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website 21:43 * meetingology amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website 21:43 he can do the work, but it'll be little slower 21:44 action point logged 21:44 if we have time until the end of this cycle, that would be great, I guess 21:44 what do you think? 21:45 yeah, I would prefer the redesign to happen before the release 21:45 I have to ask Neil how fast he can finish it 21:45 but first, I've to get feedback 21:45 Neil will do one design, I guess? 21:45 Okay, back to our team design (yours) 21:46 Neil will code the website 21:46 I like the idea ... simple and short ... but can we do better? I rate it 7/10 maybe 21:46 I'm still not happy with two tabs for docs 21:46 so, what's your idea? 21:47 one tab, just like the community tab 21:47 the two tabs for FAQ and Documentation serve a simple purpose, to make the FAQ more accessible 21:47 wait please 21:47 the current website has: 21:47 6 tabs 21:48 Home - Screenshots - Docs - Download - Getting Involved - Contact Us 21:48 * satya is checking the current one 21:48 http://ubuntugnome.org/ 21:49 yeh, when you hover over "Documentation", 2 links appear 21:49 "FAQ" and "Wiki" 21:49 indeed :) 21:49 hover is not something that is available in phones and tablets 21:49 that is why I'm asking to merge (on the new design) both FAQs and Wiki 21:50 yeah, but hover is not available on all devices, so it hurts accessibility 21:50 those who click Docs should find 'FAQs' and 'Wiki' - just like what you guys did with Community 21:50 No hover 21:50 just like what you did with Community on the new design :) 21:51 that will mean a complex navigation with menu and submenu 21:51 satya, :( 21:51 in the mobile view, we would already have the navigation menu collapsed into one icon 21:51 you're not seeing my point 21:52 satya, see this please http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B 21:52 why you merged the two tabs here? 21:52 while you don't want to do the same with FAQs and Wiki ? 21:52 * satya is checking 21:54 FAQ and Wiki are totally different. They have lots of content. Getting involved and contact us are short. I don't mind if they are separate though 21:54 but merging them doesn't do any harm 21:54 FAQ will be like one page long 21:55 satya, Wiki will have nothing but links :) in fact, one link to our Wiki Area so it is FAQ that will have some teext 21:55 yes and that is all what we need :) 21:55 yeah, that "Documentation" is meant to just link to the "Wiki" page, AFAIK 21:56 isn't it? 21:56 satya, :D 21:56 you're too sleepy :P 21:56 :) 21:56 I wish I could draw that and show you 21:56 that is why I love google hangout 21:57 yeah, that would help me understand 21:57 if we were using it, that would be easier for me to explain 21:57 okay, let's decide that later 21:57 yup. please draw one, so I can better understand 21:57 #action amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design 21:57 * meetingology amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design 21:57 right now, seems I'm confused 21:58 I know 21:58 so let's leave it for now 21:58 anything else before we end the meeting? 21:58 what I do love about the new design is the bottom :D 21:58 footer 21:58 it is WOW 21:59 yeah, alfredo wanted to have a beautiful footer : 21:59 : 21:59 :D 21:59 yeah, it is so nice 21:59 so, apart from the navigation bar, what else? 22:00 the bar + the wallpapers 22:00 that is all for now 22:00 it is nice and simple 22:00 ok. about a slideshow, we don't want a slideshow as it will not work properly on a mobile device 22:00 #action we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one 22:00 * meetingology we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one 22:00 satya, -1 for slideshow 22:01 #action no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design 22:01 * meetingology no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design 22:01 so, I'll send a mail to the main ML tomorrow with the current mockups, and our requirements if someone wants to submit new mockups 22:01 what else? 22:01 good call :D 22:02 about including themes 22:02 #action satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done 22:02 * meetingology satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done 22:02 okay, what else? 22:02 including themes :) 22:02 a side from the notes I have discussed, I don't have any other problem with the design :D 22:02 themes? 22:02 what themes? website themes? 22:03 no, GTK themes 22:03 to include in the default installation 22:03 last time we talked about having moka and numix 22:04 right 22:05 I don't mind anything nice 22:05 but I do want UG to have some themes by default 22:05 so, should I proceed to talk with Sam Hewitt about having Moka? 22:05 we already agreed about that last meeting 22:05 Ohh, Sam 22:05 hehe 22:05 :) 22:05 he had once negative feedback about UG 22:06 but I guess nothing personal 22:06 we had a quick chat on UG G+ Page 22:06 lol :D 22:06 what did he say? 22:06 I forgot 22:06 he wasn't happy with something ... can't remember 22:06 may be due to old Gnome version 22:07 anyway, how many themes can add by default? 22:07 we have only one which is the default, right? I mean for 14.04 22:07 if we could add 2-3, that would be super great 22:07 there aren't many good themes AFAIK 22:08 elementary, Moka, Numix, Iris are all I know 22:08 elementary is not suitable for GNOME 22:08 we can have Moka, Numix and Iris 22:08 at least, we give some options to our users 22:08 yeah :D 22:08 from what I have seen so far, the only negative feedback we do have is the look and feel 22:08 most of the feedback stating that our system is rock solid 22:09 and I can confirm that 22:09 but it is the look and feel 22:09 that even myself not happy with 22:09 shh, don't tell anyone :P 22:09 yeah, but that's the default GNOME look. what we can do :( 22:09 :) 22:09 so, I guess this is all about this week meeting ... anything else before I go? 22:09 do we want to include any GNOME shell theme? 22:09 satya, we must find a way to include more themes and nice wallappers 22:10 wait, I have few things to say 22:10 satya, ok :) 22:10 I don't worry about wallpapers, I'm sure, they'll be plenty 22:10 +1 22:11 so, do we want to also include Gnome Shell themes and icon themes? 22:11 for icon themes, we could include Moka, elementary Xfce, Numix Circle etc. 22:11 more icons themes = yes 22:11 GNOME Shell Themes? 22:12 yeah? 22:12 about shell themes, guess lots of themes aren't properly maintained 22:12 I'm too tired to figure out what we are talking about 22:13 the one that if we change, the look of the system will change? 22:13 one moment 22:13 http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-Shell-Elegance-Colors-305966388 22:14 it's the Gnome Shell theme I actively maintain 22:14 so I was right 22:14 the one that if we change it, the whole thing will be changed 22:14 sure, that would be lovely 22:15 good. so my point, we don't have many GNOME shell themes which are actively maintained 22:15 if we include the one I linked above, I know that it'll be actively maintained 22:15 also, it's an app, not a theme 22:16 I don't mind 22:16 we need to talk with darkxst about that 22:16 #action satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons 22:16 * meetingology satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons 22:16 what else? :) 22:16 so, about the wallpaper contest 22:16 there is no progress yet. 22:16 yeah, we agreed to start that 22:16 but I think I should start this week 22:16 it is okay, no rush 22:16 that is good 22:17 so, we decided to use flickr, and 2 submissions per user, right? 22:18 how about we make it like that, have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre? 22:18 like nature, city, abstract etc.? 22:18 to have some variety in the wallpapers 22:18 hmm 22:18 that is good idea 22:18 and 1 to 2 submit per user 22:19 yup :) 22:19 the total is 10, right? 22:19 yeah, I think so 22:19 so, I shall talk to alfredo and proceed with the idea then? 22:19 #action have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya 22:19 * meetingology have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya 22:19 yep ;) 22:20 great. 22:20 :D 22:20 nothing else, right? 22:20 hahaha 22:20 I'm done :D 22:20 okay 22:20 do you want ownership of this http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome ? 22:21 what is this 22:22 scrollback room for ubuntu gnome 22:22 it is integrated with our irc 22:22 no idea what is it 22:22 currently I own that room 22:22 it's a chat client :D 22:22 but I have enough stuff to be the owner of hehe 22:22 ohhh 22:22 I see the stuff I'm sending here 22:22 remeber, I was talking about having it on our site? 22:23 are you trying to say ... we add that to our website? 22:23 yeah, as a chat widget 22:23 which will load on demand 22:23 so as not to slow the page 22:23 but it uses appcache anyways, so it won't be slow from the 2nd time 22:24 note that that is an open source project 22:24 and I work for them :D 22:24 if this is fast and does not require lots of stuff, why not 22:24 ohh 22:24 nice 22:24 :D 22:25 okay, so that's it then :) 22:25 we can have the widget on the community page 22:27 http://mozillaindia.org 22:27 they are using it 22:27 #action satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not 22:27 * meetingology satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not 22:27 so, I don't have anything else to say 22:28 okay then :) 22:28 thanks a lot 22:29 that was 1-2-1 meeting hehe 22:29 :) 22:29 hey, one thing 22:29 about rescheduling 22:29 I asked if we could have it on saturday 22:29 right 22:30 #action amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun 22:30 * meetingology amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun 22:30 so... 22:30 nice 22:30 ;) 22:30 #endmeeting