18:00:04 #startmeeting 18:00:04 Meeting started Fri Nov 25 18:00:04 2011 UTC. The chair is JackyAlcine. 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Total count: 6 present attendees. 18:03:08 #action 6 members were present on-time to the meeting. 18:03:08 * meetingology 6 members were present on-time to the meeting. 18:03:24 * MasterComputer wonders if MH0, TeamColtra, xy, hyperair are active... 18:03:24 First topic on the agenda is the Introduction. 18:03:25 unruly dingo sends his apologies, he's Christmas shopping. 18:03:35 * JackyAlcine understands. 18:03:37 Always 18:03:42 #topic Introduction 18:03:46 Josh should also be on later, but he lost his internet connection...so thats a maybe 18:04:04 Though I head to work in an hour 18:04:14 Right now, the Synthetic Intellect Institute is going through a transition, 18:04:29 We've been remotely dormant for a while, but we plan to change that in the future. 18:04:40 We are waking up, though. 18:04:51 Over the next few months, drastic infrastructural changes are planned to take place. 18:05:17 Also, around the same time of the launching of the Institute, the first public copy of Wintermute will be released. 18:05:28 Version 0.1a, to b exact. 18:05:29 * MasterComputer would like to point out there have been major changes; proflieratin of Wintermute and the S.I.I accross multple sites, and the change to Google Apps 18:06:05 We encourage that you tell people that are remotely interested in AI + computer tech to come check out and help us grow. 18:06:22 Alright, next bullet on the agenda (http://www.thesii.org/wiki/SII:Meetings:Agendas:2011-11-25) 18:06:31 #topic Discuss Status of Website 18:06:49 AlexAv is our head of website affairs and maintains the website. 18:07:03 Ok currently the website is in the middle of a redesign 18:07:17 Right now our design is http://phillw.net/hero_os/ but that is still in the works 18:07:43 Anyone have any suggestions or comments based on that design? 18:08:09 I think some reworking of the graphics is needed to bring it more into line with our branding 18:08:37 Perhaps adding the login creds to the top right corner. 18:08:46 I believe that Unruly has been set upon the graphics 18:09:05 Apparently, phillw, any word regarding UnrulyDingo's graphics tinkering? 18:09:23 he is awaiting some rough designs from MasterComputer to have a play with. 18:09:37 I sent them to him, if I recall, phillw... 18:09:46 What do you guys think needs to be done next? 18:09:57 then once thanksgiving is over, he will set about them with gusto :) 18:10:01 For the website, Jacky? 18:10:05 Once we get a concrete theme i will retheme the wiki as well 18:10:06 Yes. 18:10:14 AlexAv: can hero issue cookies? 18:10:21 Speak of the devil... 18:10:22 speak of the devil :) 18:10:26 O.o 18:10:35 I personally would like a profile page of sorts that allows me to add information about myself and link OpenIDs so that users can reach us some how. 18:10:41 Jynx! 18:10:45 i believe so phillw but i will have to look 18:11:15 Please make the boxes shadows more smooth 18:11:24 I could build a rough mockup, if that would be useful? 18:11:26 it is just for the 'remember me' part for logging in. If it does not, I have the php code for such beaties on phpBB 18:11:39 *beasties* 18:11:54 yea i can easily add them if they don't exist 18:12:11 UnrulyDingo: did you get MasterComputer email with the rough drafts for images? 18:12:13 what about SSL login? 18:12:42 hacked_kernel: we don't have a SSL certificate. 18:12:42 O.o? 18:12:54 But that could be protected if OpenID logins are used via Launchpad URIs. 18:13:15 Could we have some sort of registeration form as well, for those wishing to sign up (pending review?) 18:13:21 hacked_kernel: The entire server is being changed in the next 7 days. 18:13:27 sign up for subscription or membership? 18:13:45 membership; if only to stop us having to run around subscribing them to everything... 18:13:55 Are we going to use the website for more internal purposes than marketing 18:14:05 Once the blog aggreation function is online, an RSS feed would also be a good idea, me thinks 18:14:29 hacked_kernel: it will be for both. 18:14:54 Then I think SSL will be important even if its self signed by the you 18:14:55 hacked_kernel: Chances are that might be the limit, unless you have a suggestion? 18:15:14 Hmm. 18:15:29 ssl certificate can be gained, but not until I transfer everything to the new server. 18:15:35 * JackyAlcine notes we spent 15 minutes here, that's 20% of the time. 18:15:36 Yeah sure phillw 18:15:51 I have no more points regarding the website 18:15:55 I would like to go slightly off-topic and just say I'd much prefer we somehow minmize the amount of logins people require...IE; one for GitHub, our area, etc. 18:15:56 #action phillw SSL certificate 18:15:56 * meetingology phillw SSL certificate 18:15:58 I must bring this topic to a close in interest of time. 18:16:14 required* 18:16:19 I should be able to get openID working on the website 18:16:21 Is there any more points to be made? 18:16:39 * MasterComputer has no more things to bring up at this time 18:17:04 #topic Potential release date of Wintermute 18:17:27 Alright, as mentioned before, I expect the first stable release of Wintermute to be released in mid-march of 2012. 18:17:36 More exact, the 19-21th of March. 18:17:53 Currently, I'm rewriting the roadmap for Wintermute as it's available on http://www.thesii.org/wiki/Wintermute:Roadmap 18:17:59 What would that version be capable of, Jacky? 18:18:05 Glad you'd ask. 18:18:43 That version should be capable of rough NLI/G (natural language interpretation/generation) and semantic relationship forming between linguistically formed concepts. 18:19:11 Also, very, very early stages of the network version of the AngelNet should be in place. 18:19:26 so low-level understanding, then? Akin to a basic AIML bot, perhaps? Or VIRGIL? 18:19:49 Perhaps AIML level, but with the flexibility of VIRGIL. 18:20:03 * JackyAlcine will explain VIRGIL to those who don't know what it is in #sii-dev after the meeting. 18:20:08 But yes, any questions? 18:20:26 Yes 18:20:26 Phill, I don't see any e-mails from him. 18:20:55 UnrulyDingo, we talked about it, you commented on some of the work... 18:20:57 Is it too late to try and jump in as a Dev JackyAlcine ? 18:21:05 Oh, I thought he meant a new e-mail. 18:21:20 It's never too late. ;) 18:21:25 JackyAlcine, how likely is it that release date will be met? 18:21:37 Then i will be talking to you later about it JackyAlcine 18:21:57 At this time, perhaps 75 - 80% that it'll be hit. 18:22:12 not bad! :D 18:22:20 A few critical bugs on Launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/wintermute are holding up progress. 18:22:33 But those, I feel, are getting near fixing. 18:22:56 Good, good 18:23:07 After 0.1a, releases of Wintermute are expected to drop every 2 months or so, given we have constant development. 18:23:32 However, a very interesting paradigm shift will occur once we begin to head 1.3, that I'll speak about in #sii-dev afterwards. 18:23:40 Any questions or comments regarding this topic? 18:24:07 yeah 18:24:11 what about user manuals? 18:24:15 Moving on. 18:24:20 Ah. 18:24:31 Actually, that's part of the next topic, 18:24:33 but okay. 18:24:58 Hopefully, a "Using Wintermute" manual could be produced before the release, but it wouldn't be made any time this or next month. 18:25:15 We have yet to get a UI to build and we're targeting non-console users. 18:25:25 #topic Discuss status of code 18:25:28 I am sorry but i am being told i must go do yardwork. So i am off 18:25:38 * JackyAlcine understands. 18:25:42 Goodbye, AlexAv. 18:25:43 * phillw nods 18:25:51 Currently, all of Wintermute's code is held on GitHub. 18:26:08 It was originally on Bazaar but we moved from there in interest of ... better quality :) 18:26:26 cya AlexAv 18:26:26 However, we maintain imports to Launchpad mainly to allow packaging of Wintermute. 18:26:55 gentoolx was the first person to package working copies of Wintermute into our PPA (now emptied out in interest of non-broken builds) 18:27:28 gentoolx, do you have anything to mention regarding packaging/redistribution of Wintermute? 18:27:40 Well, I don't know whether we will be able to use these module branches; Launchpad rather needs monolithical sources. 18:28:01 And packaging will be done from scratch, of course. 18:28:36 Is it possible for a recipe to import multiple branches like (ling,data,ntwk,core,plugins) and then build? 18:28:54 * JackyAlcine notes that he've made individual recipes for each module. 18:29:18 Yes, I hope that after import of branches to one larger it will be possible to built packages from it. 18:29:42 Alright, that's good news. 18:29:59 The sooner we do this, the sooner we can have people test Wintermute from the ease of APT/Synaptic. 18:30:02 CMake is in general good in such things. 18:30:16 Yes, that is very important. 18:30:44 Another topic is commit rights, issue tracking and collaborative coding. 18:31:13 We have two bug trackers (or ticketing systems, if you may) but I strongly recommend that you use Launchpad for bug reporting and issue tracking. 18:31:39 Launchpad allows us to target milestones and series in a way that GitHub doesn't. And a majority of the developers (albeit inactive) are on Launchpad. 18:31:47 A spark in activity would perhaps spark them to be active. 18:32:08 Launchpad allows more metadata about bugs; it is useful to us. 18:32:22 why don't we host it and use issues tracking in one place like Google code? 18:33:10 hacked_kernel: like we have the code stored locally? Mainly because we don't have a server that we can bust open and call ours. 18:33:49 Google Code is a very good environment for coding, I must admit, but we'd be stretching our code too thin. 18:34:09 * MasterComputer wonders if phillw and JackyAlcine could look into that, if need be 18:35:11 Technically, it's in two locations already 18:36:08 we will be able to host our own code, it is simply a case of whatever the head of dev feels is the most efficient way in attempting to herd cats (other developers). 18:36:34 I'm not sure at the moment, I have to discuss that with you guys after this meeting. 18:36:39 But that's for that sector. 18:36:46 About commit rights. 18:36:47 Commit rights to the core branch are issued to those who've constantly opened pull requests on the master branches of Wintermute and remain active on a consistent basis. 18:37:08 Core branch, in this case, representing the wntr/* branches. 18:38:17 hmm 18:38:54 Think of it as an incentive to keep findings bugs and promoting development. 18:39:29 hang on, folks, Jacky's got connection trouble, he'll be back in a tick 18:39:40 phillw? Shall we continue without him? 18:40:08 MasterComputer: I cannot speak about development stuff! 18:40:56 ah, phillw, slight medical problem here 18:41:20 excuse me folks, a load of blood just decided to leave my body by way of my nose, hang on 18:41:59 I suggest we await to see if Jacky gets re-connected. Dante, are you okay? 18:42:01 are you ok MasterComputer ? 18:42:19 ...I feel fizzy 18:42:20 dizzy 18:42:26 hm 18:42:42 may be you need to drink water or something sweet 18:42:54 oh good he's back 18:43:54 Sorry, bad network. 18:44:20 Any questions regarding that? 18:44:20 #topic Discuss public inception of release of the Institute 18:44:20 Now, this is the juicy part. 18:44:22 The Synthetic Intellect Institute, aforementioned, is expected to rock F/OSS in March of 2011. 18:44:25 A lot (website, code, PR!, social media) of work is being done in reaction to this launch. 18:44:33 We have a Twitter (@the_sii), Google+ (search us up), Facebook Page, YouTube page, we're out there :) 18:44:42 But we do need your help. 18:45:12 We're planning to release a video representing what the institute is about. 18:45:41 This video should be high-end in quality, we're here to encourage people to join and remain interested. 18:45:59 Ideas on production, scripts and other tools are welcome. 18:46:57 We also may get interviewed by a suite of known blogs regarding Ubuntu and Linux as a whole 18:47:18 like OMG!Ubuntu, WebUpd8, and someone from PlanetUbuntu :) 18:47:27 Any questions, thoughts, ideas or suggestiosn? 18:47:37 * hacked_kernel so whats the institute is about? 18:48:27 The Institute is a stronghold, so to say, that'll in the future, represent artificial intelligence developed in F/OSS. 18:48:58 Ok 18:49:03 Initially, in the early drafting of Wintermute, me and two others scoured the net, looking for AI projects that could be used by Wintermute or should be continued in development to prove their potential. 18:49:14 This list is still existing and will be released soon. 18:49:46 One question: Is everyone clear on what Wintermute is, as well? 18:49:56 And what role does the Institute play for Wintermute, and visa versa? 18:50:05 * hacked_kernel not everything about Wintermute 18:51:49 Wintermute is a personal assistant, best word I think of at the moment, that attempts to replicate the actings of an intelligent agent. 18:51:53 Not necessarily a human being. 18:52:28 There's a few projects out there that you can compare Wintermute's potential to. 18:52:34 SpeakToIt Assistant for Android. 18:52:50 Guild3D, the AI project for Windows. 18:52:57 though thhose are toys in comparison to what Wintermute will eventually become 18:53:18 Wintermute'll evolve to be your digital identity. 18:53:34 Managing e-mail, banking info, your school work? Nothing's off the chart. 18:53:56 JackyAlcine, what do you mean by managing email? 18:54:08 JackyAlcine: Question.... Why would you want an A.I. to manage your banking info and email etc...that's a bit too much IMO 18:54:54 I would think most would prefer to have hands on with that sort of thing... UNLESS you're intending this for folks who are somewhat limited in their abilities/faculties? An ease of use "program" so to speak? 18:54:58 zkriesse: It'd be less likely to "accidentally" mess up your balance book and spam? Google's filters are good, but they aren't perfect. 18:55:16 zkriesse: 5.7 exabytes of information were generated last year; a human cannot begin to comprehend that amount of information, Wintermute can 18:55:19 zkriesse: That's a viewpoint of it, yes. 18:55:54 JackyAlcine: Gotcha... I'm no dev or anything, just a writer but I do want to help out... (I've said that before haven't i?) 18:55:59 hacked_kernel: E-mail would be not categorized and organized, but it would relayed to you in a manner that'd be effective. 18:56:08 Wintermute is an attempt to really explore effective semantic computing. 18:56:21 zkriesse: yup, and actually, MasterComputer, wouldn't that be good for the Parables? 18:56:27 got ya JackyAlcine 18:56:43 Indeed, JackyAlcine 18:56:58 JackyAlcine: Ah so would it try to "learn" based on the user's previous actions/choices with the usage of the software? 18:56:59 MasterComputer is working on a book entitled "The Parables of Wintermute" 18:57:08 zkriesse: precisely. 18:57:15 Predictive computations 18:57:18 Awesome 18:57:23 That is the start 18:57:33 Sounds rad :D 18:57:42 We've seen programs that can respond to email, as the user would. 18:57:44 Mind you, we won't reinvent the wheel here, we'll use existing tech [Zeitgeist, Strigi (KDE), Nepomuk (KDE)] to help us get this info. 18:58:02 Hey, utilizing previous info/ideas is always a good thing 18:58:20 So Wintermute would gain that abilty, with time, and developers 18:58:23 Improving upon previous endeavours is how most things are made throughout the known world 18:58:31 and yes, I am writing a book...bloody long thing to do. 18:58:39 MasterComputer: Well, I would love to help 18:58:59 Well, zkriesse, I'll PM you afterwards, my friend :-) 18:59:07 Awesome :)_ 18:59:35 This is a crucial reason as to why we wish for you to encourage other people you know (devs, writers, web-devs, graphic artists) to help us out. 18:59:40 Wha Wha? Why How? Oh? 18:59:44 This was blue 18:59:47 BLUE I SAY 18:59:48 :3 18:59:56 Whom pingeth me? 19:00:01 THere is a site isn't there? Think i had a login for it 19:00:06 The bigger we become, the better Wintermute will be. 19:00:07 We're having a meeting. 19:00:19 #action JackyAlcine to explain roadmap 19:00:19 * meetingology JackyAlcine to explain roadmap 19:00:29 Oh, SOrreh 19:00:37 #action MasterComputer to discuss Parables 19:00:37 * meetingology MasterComputer to discuss Parables 19:00:45 #action AlexAv to theme Wiki after theming site. 19:00:45 * meetingology AlexAv to theme Wiki after theming site. 19:00:53 WIKI! :D 19:01:00 #action AlexAv Use OpenID for site log-in (and provide it) 19:01:00 * meetingology AlexAv Use OpenID for site log-in (and provide it) 19:01:10 zkriesse: I got a task for you, actually, after this. 19:01:16 JackyAlcine: Oh? Kewl 19:01:24 We have 15 minutes left, this can be used as a free forum. 19:01:37 Any ideas or questions now regarding anything discussed? 19:01:37 I can help also on the web site thing if you need any help 19:01:44 #topic Open Forum 19:01:55 The Parables of Wintermute is sort of like a design book; Wintermute is huge, and a lot of technolgies will be involved, the Parables is a sort of cross between fiction showing off Wintermute's planned abilities and a crash course in a number of technologies 19:02:21 #action Obtain SSL certificate for Synthetic Intellect Institute 19:02:21 * meetingology Obtain SSL certificate for Synthetic Intellect Institute 19:02:41 Sort of like a manual/how-to yet a story into the history of Wintermute's development and journey into what it will (hopefully) become? 19:03:00 #action JackyAlcine Discuss paradigm shift of Wintermute 1.3 19:03:00 * meetingology JackyAlcine Discuss paradigm shift of Wintermute 1.3 19:03:07 indeed, zkriesse. 19:03:14 Cool 19:03:43 One thing I'd like to do is apologize. 19:03:51 ? 19:04:04 I haven't been too good with maintaining the development team in terms of communicating what Wintermute is and what they could to help. 19:04:15 Thus, I've dedicated the last week sculpting the Wintermute Techbase. 19:04:19 Ahh 19:04:26 http://www.thesii.org/wiki/Wintermute:Techbase 19:04:36 thanks JackyAlcine you did great job on the TechBase 19:04:48 This is where all information regarding building, coding, anything dev-like would be found for Wintermute. 19:04:56 :) Thanks, took some time but it happened. 19:05:06 On a similar note; when we launch in March next year, we need to have the materials ready to get developers interested, working, and commited. 19:05:17 Gah, i need to learn how to code 19:05:18 The Techbase was gentoolx's idea originally. 19:05:26 But i'm better at writing anyway 19:05:47 * MasterComputer gives gentoolx and JackyAlcine a round of applause. 19:06:00 JackyAlcine, did you discuss developer count? 19:06:03 Well, I'm trying to see if we can get Wintermute to support multiple languages (as labeled there) 19:06:16 Ah. Totally skipped that, lol. 19:06:34 According to the ratio displayed from GitHub and Launchpad, we have 6 developers focused on Wintermute. 19:06:42 JackyAlcine: I'd like to get an account on the Wiki if i may? 19:06:47 Of these 6, 5 developers are either watching or own a fork of Wintermute. 19:06:48 Yet we dont know the rate of working/commited developers. 19:07:09 These developers can be found at https://github.com/wntr 19:07:14 Ah, you'd think so. 19:07:15 Oh! And if I may, can I be added to the team list? (Providing I can be allowed to join the team) 19:07:34 zkriesse: sure, same name? 19:07:51 GitHub provides a pane that allows you to see who did what for each branch at each commit. 19:07:55 Unlike Launchpad. 19:07:58 zkriesse yeah 19:08:06 so 6 is our total number of active devs, then? 19:08:10 I coulda sworn i had a login to the website/blog 19:08:45 Hmm, guess I didn't 19:08:48 zkriesse: Which one? We didn't port the old users from http://www.thesii.org/blog. 19:08:55 * zkriesse goes to register on blog... 19:09:05 Or is that something you have to do JackyAlcine 19:09:25 I don't remember :P 19:09:32 Nope, it's open registeration. 19:09:39 I think that might have been it 19:09:42 and that IP has been blocked by my security 19:09:46 Also, https://github.com/wntr/core/network shows a listing of current forks of Wintermute. 19:09:48 I mean, url 19:10:53 * zkriesse is registering 19:11:37 Oh yes, should of mentioned this eariler 19:11:45 there are three videos being planned 19:11:51 1. is to introduce the S.I.I 19:12:03 2. is a concept video for Wintermute 19:12:15 and the 3rd would be a screencast of the near future Wintermute 19:12:52 These videos are our marketing weapons. 19:12:52 Meant to go viral :D 19:13:14 AWESOME! 19:13:28 If you're curious about who's committing where and how much; take a look at https://github.com/wntr/core/graphs/impact 19:13:28 I've got a YouTube account so I'd be more than happy to upload videos 19:13:38 or https://github.com/wntr/plugins/graphs/impact 19:14:51 We have less than a minute. 19:15:01 So I'm going to close this meeting unless anyone has anything to say. 19:15:33 * JackyAlcine assumes that's a confirmation and does so. 19:15:33 #endmeeting