== Meeting information ==
 * #lubuntu-devel: Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016, 20 Jul at 19:00 — 20:09 UTC
 * Full logs at [[http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-07-20-19.00.log.html]]



== Meeting summary ==

=== https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda ===
The discussion about "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda" started at 19:02.


=== Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work ===
The discussion about "Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work" started at 19:02.

  * ''LINK:'' http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/363/builds 
  * ''ACTION:'' tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1
  * ''LINK:'' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Alpha1/Lubuntu 

=== tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty ===
The discussion about "tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty" started at 19:17.


=== Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work ===
The discussion about "Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work" started at 19:17.

  * ''ACTION:'' tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty
  * ''ACTION:'' wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support

=== Bug Day ===
The discussion about "Bug Day" started at 19:24.

  * ''LINK:'' http://ubuntuonair.com/ will have all the details

=== QA ===
The discussion about "QA" started at 19:37.


=== Donation Area ===
The discussion about "Donation Area" started at 19:37.


=== Wiki ===
The discussion about "Wiki" started at 19:39.

  * ''ACTION:'' wxl: ping the ubuntu-docs mailing list about the Lubuntu documentation

=== LXQt ===
The discussion about "LXQt" started at 19:45.


=== Startup Disk Creator - mkusb ===
The discussion about "Startup Disk Creator - mkusb" started at 19:47.


=== Future meetings ===
The discussion about "Future meetings" started at 19:52.


=== Snappy packages ===
The discussion about "Snappy packages" started at 19:56.




== Vote results ==




== Action items, by person ==

 * tsimonq2
  * tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1
  * tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty
 * wxl
  * wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support
  * wxl: ping the ubuntu-docs mailing list about the Lubuntu documentation



== Done items ==

 * (none)



== People present (lines said) ==

 * tsimonq2 (174)
 * wxl (65)
 * redwolf (35)
 * sudodus (34)
 * gilir (19)
 * meetingology (7)
 * ubot93 (2)



== Full Log ==


 19:00 <tsimonq2> #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016

 19:00 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul 20 19:00:36 2016 UTC.  The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

 19:00 <meetingology> 

 19:00 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick

 19:00 <sudodus> While we are waiting, I'd like to say that 16.04.1 is really much improved compared the 16.04. Now it is a nice LTS release :-)

 19:01 <tsimonq2> could you show your attendance by saying o/ please ?

 19:01 <tsimonq2> o/

 19:01 <redwolf> o/

 19:01 <wxl> o/

 19:01 <sudodus> o/

 19:01 <tsimonq2> great, we are just waiting on Julien

 19:01 <tsimonq2> Here is our planned meeting agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

 19:02 <tsimonq2> #topic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

 19:02 <tsimonq2> whoops

 19:02 <tsimonq2> #topic Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work

 19:02 <tsimonq2> There

 19:02 <tsimonq2> so coming up, we have 16.04.1 that is supposed to be release tomorrow

 19:03 <tsimonq2> as sudodus said, we have a lot of nice fixes that really makes it a good release

 19:03 <tsimonq2> we had a rebuild yesterday due to a libfm fix

 19:04 <tsimonq2> and a rebuild today due to a light-locker-settings fix

 19:04 <tsimonq2> buyt we are actually almost covered in testing

 19:04 <tsimonq2> *but

 19:04 <tsimonq2> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/363/builds

 19:04 <tsimonq2> I'm working on the rest of the amd64 alternate test cases

 19:05 <tsimonq2> we're good to go on Desktop

 19:05 <tsimonq2> we just need to tackle Alternate i386

 19:05 <sudodus> I hope you will be able to do some double-checking tests of Lubuntu 16.04.1 after this meeting :-)

 19:05 <tsimonq2> sudodus: did you plan on doing that today or should I?

 19:05 <tsimonq2> sudodus: and in what way should I double-check? :)

 19:06 <sudodus> Do the same testcase but with your hardware :-)

 19:06 <tsimonq2> sudodus: I usually do them in a VM just to smoke test :)

 19:06 <wxl> yes, hardware testing is always welcome, especially when it comes to LTS releases

 19:06 <tsimonq2> I agree with wxl

 19:07 <gilir> hi there, sorry for beeing late :-/

 19:07 <tsimonq2> hello gilir! :)

 19:07 <sudodus> hi gilir

 19:07 <redwolf> o/ gilir

 19:07 <wxl> no problem. good to see you gilir :)

 19:07 <tsimonq2> gilir: we were currently talking about 16.04.1 beingreleased tomorrow

 19:07 <tsimonq2> gilir: you aren't that late :)

 19:07 <tsimonq2> anyways

 19:08 <tsimonq2> so although I can't test with my own hardware as I don't have much to test with, I'm glad sudodus is testing it as well

 19:09 <tsimonq2> the release notes are almost done, soon after the meeting they will be on the usual /Draft wiki page

 19:09 <sudodus> Maybe someone else can test too, and on hardware

 19:09 <tsimonq2> and like I said, I'm working to smoke test

 19:09 <wxl> might want to call out for hardware testing

 19:09 <tsimonq2> like on the mailing list?

 19:09 <wxl> yeah

 19:10 <wxl> can't hurt

 19:10 <tsimonq2> I see, alright

 19:10 <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1

 19:10 * meetingology tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1

 19:10 <tsimonq2> there

 19:11 <tsimonq2> so let's talk about Yakkety Alpha 2

 19:11 <tsimonq2> that's next week Thursday

 19:11 <tsimonq2> and while there's not much that's exciting (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) we should be aware of it :)

 19:12 <tsimonq2> sudodus: will you be able to help test Alpha 2 as well next week? :)

 19:12 <tsimonq2> I will

 19:12 <sudodus> what problems should we look for with yakkety?

 19:12 <redwolf> abiword

 19:12 <tsimonq2> yes

 19:13 <tsimonq2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Alpha1/Lubuntu

 19:13 <tsimonq2> that has the known problems ^

 19:13 <tsimonq2> ooh, the btrfs/xfs bug?

 19:13 <sudodus> OK

 19:13 <redwolf> yup

 19:13 <tsimonq2> gilir: did you ever get a chance to fix bug 1591851 ?

 19:13 <ubot93> bug 1591851 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The creation of a BTRFS or XFS partition fails during install of Lubuntu Daily Live image" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591851

 19:13 <tsimonq2> (it seems to be a metapackage thing)

 19:14 <gilir> you should be fixed, last time I checked the btrfs stuff was on the ISO

 19:14 <gilir> you / it

 19:14 <tsimonq2> alright, thanks gilir :)

 19:14 <tsimonq2> but otherwise I see nothing major

 19:14 <tsimonq2> 14.04.5!

 19:15 <tsimonq2> the planned release date for that is August 4th

 19:15 <sudodus> It would be nice if we can SRU usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 from Xenial to Trusty

 19:15 <wxl> i am in support of that idea

 19:15 <tsimonq2> sudodus: is there a bug filed? I can work to get that good to go

 19:16 <sudodus> Yes

 19:16 <tsimonq2> or gilir if he prefers :)

 19:16 <tsimonq2> either way, +1 with me as well

 19:16 <sudodus> but maybe some particular person should be asked to do it (personal contact)

 19:16 <wxl> gilir never refuses an opportunity to put more work on his plate ;)

 19:17 <gilir> I pass on this one :-)

 19:17 <wxl> heheheh

 19:17 <tsimonq2> #topic tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty

 19:17 <tsimonq2> oh jeez

 19:17 <tsimonq2> gahh meetingbot

 19:17 <tsimonq2> #topic Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work

 19:18 <tsimonq2> #agenda tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty

 19:18 <tsimonq2> noo

 19:18 <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty

 19:18 * meetingology tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty

 19:18 <tsimonq2> there :P

 19:18 <tsimonq2> also, gilir had some SRUs he submitted to the mailing list

 19:19 <tsimonq2> I'll be sure to include fixes in the release notes as well :)

 19:19 <wxl> oh and we need ppc testing bad.

 19:19 <tsimonq2> +1

 19:19 <wxl> can't release the untested.

 19:19 <sudodus> +1

 19:19 <tsimonq2> besides that, any other items for this before we move on?

 19:19 <tsimonq2> but yes, I don't have a PPC machine to test

 19:19 <wxl> as much as it pains me to say this, maybe we should start considering dropping ppc.

 19:20 <tsimonq2> wxl: could you send an email to the mailing list to get widespread feedback if you think that it's the best option?

 19:21 <wxl> oh yeah. i mean it's a case where the users need to be testers or it just can't happen

 19:21 <tsimonq2> I garee

 19:21 <tsimonq2> *agree

 19:21 <wxl> it's not even a choice

 19:21 <wxl> if they aren't tested, canonical won't release them

 19:21 <sudodus> Yes, I think 16.04 LTS can be the last version for PPC. It is getting really hard to get it tested, so probably very few people use it nowadays

 19:22 <tsimonq2> yeah

 19:22 <wxl> but i don't just want to make the decision

 19:22 <tsimonq2> so could somebody send something to the mailing list then?

 19:22 <wxl> i'd rather open it up to the community and let them decide

 19:22 <tsimonq2> yeah I agree

 19:22 <redwolf> +1

 19:22 <wxl> i'll do it

 19:23 <sudodus> good idea

 19:23 <tsimonq2> #action wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support

 19:23 * meetingology wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support

 19:23 <tsimonq2> so anything else before we move on?

 19:24 <tsimonq2> I'd just like to say thanks to sudodus for all of the testing he's been doing :)

 19:24 <tsimonq2> let's move on! :)

 19:24 <wxl> +1

 19:24 <tsimonq2> #topic Bug Day

 19:24 <tsimonq2> Lubuntu is running a Bug Day on the 26th

 19:25 <wxl> yay bug day

 19:25 <tsimonq2> we are basically going to get help from the community to go through our bugs

 19:25 <tsimonq2> I hope we get AbiWord bugs triaged, last I checked we have hundreds of them! :)

 19:25 <wxl> ew abiword

 19:26 <tsimonq2> I agree with wxl :P

 19:26 <redwolf> .__.

 19:26 <wxl> are we going to focus on a particular segment or prioritize?

 19:26 <wxl> like perhaps it might be good to focus on lx components first?

 19:26 <sudodus> hundreds of bugs on Abiword???

 19:26 <redwolf> it's buggy, yes

 19:27 <wxl> and then move on to apps that we tend to be the primary users of like, um, abiword

 19:27 <tsimonq2> well I was going to ask, is there anything that you guys want triages?

 19:27 <redwolf> but we have no replacement

 19:27 <tsimonq2> *triages

 19:27 <tsimonq2> **triaged

 19:27 <tsimonq2> ugh

 19:27 <wxl> sure we do, redwolf, it's called vim. :)

 19:27 * wxl ducks

 19:27 <redwolf> :|

 19:27 <tsimonq2> but yes, I agree with wxl

 19:27 <tsimonq2> ohhhhhhhh XD

 19:27 * tsimonq2 gives wxl a high-five

 19:27 <tsimonq2> anyways

 19:27 <redwolf> gilir, about this...

 19:27 <gilir> if you want to work on abiword, you probably want to talk to jbicha, he was quite active on it recently

 19:28 <redwolf> I told tsimonq2 we were playing with the solution for the last bug

 19:28 <sudodus> I think many Lubuntu users install LibreOffice

 19:28 <tsimonq2> alright gilir, I'll keep him in the loop :)

 19:28 <gilir> redwolf, right, but I don't think it's strickly a bug theme

 19:29 <tsimonq2> another thing besides specific bugs, we are having an Ubuntu On Air session on the 25th from 1900 to 2000 UTC

 19:29 <tsimonq2> http://ubuntuonair.com/ will have all the details

 19:29 <gilir> our theme just "activate" it, see upstream bug here : http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13791

 19:29 <ubot93> bugzilla.abisource.com bug 13791 in Front End - GTK "constant redraw flicker when document not empty" [Major,New]

 19:29 <redwolf> not really, right

 19:29 <sudodus> Is it an option to change to Adwaita - or does it look too bad?

 19:29 <redwolf> but GTK is being buggy lately. they're not XDG compliant

 19:29 <redwolf> they included CSD this month, but that's all

 19:30 <redwolf> all themes are going in the opposite direction

 19:30 <gilir> switching to adwaita make a big visual difference between gtk2 and gtk3 apps :-/

 19:30 <redwolf> I'm doing tests with Adwaita, that would free us from Light Themes

 19:30 <redwolf> indeed

 19:30 <redwolf> here: http://pasteboard.co/dQVgYvcyh.png

 19:30 <redwolf> and here: http://pasteboard.co/dQVfzYX7o.png

 19:30 <redwolf> specially the file manager

 19:31 <redwolf> but I wouldn't consider it a problem, yet

 19:31 <tsimonq2> redwolf: so I guess my question is, are there fixes coming or are we switching the theme?

 19:31 <redwolf> anyway, gilir, aren't we more "gnomized" now?

 19:32 <redwolf> tsimonq2, this will fix the flickering, but it must be fixed on abiword specifically

 19:32 <tsimonq2> I see

 19:32 <tsimonq2> but back on the topic of bug day

 19:32 <redwolf> anyway, we're "vulnerable" to more GTK problems in the future, unless Canonical gets the right direction

 19:32 <redwolf> so this is being held until more tests are done

 19:32 <tsimonq2> any packages people want addressed for bug day?

 19:32 <tsimonq2> I see

 19:33 <sudodus> those screenshots look good enough :-)

 19:33 <redwolf> sudodus, yes, but it doesn't look "lubuntu" :)

 19:33 <wxl> redwolf: "right direction" means?

 19:34 <redwolf> wxl, XDG compliant, with full Qt support. Light Themes are proved visually incompatible in some apps because they are always late upgrading the widgets

 19:34 <wxl> ahhhh

 19:34 <wxl> :(

 19:34 <redwolf> and usually, sudden upgrades appear close to release dates, with ugly outcomes

 19:34 <tsimonq2> redwolf: are you in talks with Canonical's design team about this?

 19:34 <wxl> are there bugs created for that?

 19:34 <redwolf> but I still trust Design Team guys

 19:35 <redwolf> I did, long time ago, about the "sync" between flavours

 19:35 <redwolf> but I was told we're a community and they can't, obviously, think about the repercussion on every theme change

 19:35 <redwolf> anyway, if Ubuntu looks good, Lubuntu will too

 19:36 <tsimonq2> great :)

 19:36 <redwolf> sorry guys, gotta quit

 19:36 <tsimonq2> sorry to cut y'all short, this discussion should be continued

 19:36 <tsimonq2> o/ redwolf

 19:36 <redwolf> thanks everybody

 19:36 <redwolf> o/

 19:37 <sudodus> o/ rewolf

 19:37 <tsimonq2> so let's hand the floor to wxl

 19:37 <tsimonq2> #topic QA

 19:37 <tsimonq2> anything new? :)

 19:37 <wxl> well, i think we pretty much covered it :)

 19:37 <wxl> just make sure to show up at Bug Day!

 19:37 <wxl> and test a lot.

 19:37 <wxl> ok, love you bye. :)

 19:37 <tsimonq2> I agree

 19:37 <tsimonq2> XD

 19:37 <tsimonq2> #topic Donation Area

 19:38 <tsimonq2> wxl still has the floor!

 19:38 <wxl> pass. haven't done a thing with it.

 19:38 <tsimonq2> :P

 19:38 <tsimonq2> wxl: what's the status going forward?

 19:38 <wxl> ultimately we need to start from scratch again.

 19:38 <tsimonq2> wxl: would you be able to get that started again?

 19:39 <tsimonq2> or do you not want to?

 19:39 <wxl> i noticed (for the first time) there's an lxde foundation, so i thought maybe i might pick mario's brain about that.

 19:39 <tsimonq2> alright :)

 19:39 <tsimonq2> #topic Wiki

 19:39 <tsimonq2> last time you have the floor wxl :P

 19:40 <wxl> oh do i have the floor for the wiki??

 19:40 <tsimonq2> yep

 19:40 <wxl> i think that might have been an old agenda item, unless someonme has a specific question

 19:40 <tsimonq2> wxl: that's the status of our documentation?

 19:40 <tsimonq2> *what's

 19:41 <wxl> well, we need more help, really. ultimately, we need someone to lead the team.

 19:41 <wxl> that's kind of something we've neeeded for a looooooooooooooong time

 19:41 <tsimonq2> wxl: has a call been put out at all? can this be brought up on the mailing list and someone picked?

 19:41 <wxl> without any sort of vision for what we're doing, it's hard to imagine anything getting done except little additions/changes here and there

 19:41 <tsimonq2> I see

 19:42 <wxl> it was something we put a call out about a while back

 19:42 <wxl> interest was lukewarm to say the least

 19:42 <tsimonq2> so what do you suggest going forward then?

 19:42 <sudodus> I don't understand why we have two sets of wiki pages, at the Ubuntu wiki pages and the Ubuntu help pages.

 19:42 <wxl> keep trying. that's about all we can do. maybe also reach out the documentation team

 19:43 <wxl> sudodus: i kind of don't either, to be frank

 19:43 <tsimonq2> ooh, good idea, maybe some collaboration there, wxl?

 19:43 <wxl> help.u.c is SUPPOSED to be for official support

 19:43 <wxl> e.g. the Testing page wouldn't belong there

 19:43 <wxl> but manual pages should be there

 19:43 <wxl> but we have manual pages all over the place, so i don't know

 19:43 <wxl> again, lack of vision

 19:44 <tsimonq2> although the Ubuntu Docs team is going through some trouble, so maybe we should wait for them to resolve their issues and then ask them for some help?

 19:44 <tsimonq2> s/so//

 19:44 <wxl> yeah or maybe perhaps pining the mailing list might pull some people out that would rather work with a smaller team? i don't know

 19:44 <wxl> i think it would be good to ping the mailing list. we can always try later

 19:44 <wxl> give me a work item

 19:45 <tsimonq2> #action wxl: ping the ubuntu-docs mailing list about the Lubuntu documentation

 19:45 * meetingology wxl: ping the ubuntu-docs mailing list about the Lubuntu documentation

 19:45 <tsimonq2> there

 19:45 <tsimonq2> moving on

 19:45 <tsimonq2> #topic LXQt

 19:45 <tsimonq2> giving the floor to gilir

 19:45 <tsimonq2> gilir: what's been going on in LXQt land? :)

 19:45 <tsimonq2> I hear there is a release incoming?

 19:46 <gilir> No progress here, LXQt planned a release some days ago

 19:46 <gilir> but it's not release yet

 19:47 <tsimonq2> alright, keep us posted :)

 19:47 <tsimonq2> #topic Startup Disk Creator - mkusb

 19:47 <tsimonq2> sudodus: you have the floor :)

 19:48 <tsimonq2> sudodus: anything new?

 19:48 <sudodus> Well, tecnically, mkusb is rather stable now

 19:48 <sudodus> and the Startup Disk creator alias usb-creator-gtk 0,3.2 is stable too

 19:49 <wxl> sudodus: how long before the qt version of mkusb is available? XD

 19:49 <tsimonq2> ^ XD

 19:49 <sudodus> But there is no progress to get mkusb accepted in a repository. I need help from someone who knows how to do it.

 19:50 <tsimonq2> sudodus: I can assist after the meeting if you wish

 19:50 <wxl> tsimonq2: it needs to go into debian first

 19:51 <tsimonq2> wxl: there's a process for that ;)

 19:51 <sudodus> I don't know if it is necessary with a particular version of mkusb for LXQt. mkusb works in Kubuntu already (but needs zenity, Would that be be in LXQt?)

 19:52 <sudodus> OK, tsimonq2, let talk about that after the meeting

 19:52 <tsimonq2> alright :)

 19:52 <tsimonq2> #topic Future meetings

 19:52 <tsimonq2> I have the floor for this one :)

 19:53 <tsimonq2> so would we meet on 10 August at the same time?

 19:53 <sudodus> I will probably be travel on 10 August.

 19:54 <sudodus> *travelling

 19:54 <tsimonq2> I wanted to bring this up because I have school coming up, and I don't know if there is a time that I can be here that everyone else can be here as well

 19:54 <tsimonq2> sudodus: so maybe the 17th?

 19:54 <sudodus> That's better for me

 19:55 <tsimonq2> I guess it's just something that I'd like to keep in mind, that I might not be able to make these meetings

 19:55 <wxl> well i think if we make them much later that makes it hard for gilir and redwolf

 19:55 <tsimonq2> when I get my schedule we can probably *see* if there is a different time, but we should be wary

 19:55 <tsimonq2> that is what I'm saying wxl

 19:56 <wxl> k i guess we'll see

 19:56 <tsimonq2> yep

 19:56 <tsimonq2> final agenda item

 19:56 <tsimonq2> #topic Snappy packages

 19:56 <tsimonq2> I personally love Snappy

 19:57 <tsimonq2> I'm a Snapcraft contributor

 19:57 <tsimonq2> and although Lubuntu supports installing a snap, it would be nice to have a Lubuntu snap

 19:57 <wxl> do you mean a lubuntu snap or an lxde snap?

 19:57 <tsimonq2> a Lubuntu snap

 19:58 <tsimonq2> I specifically wanted to hear from gilir on this

 19:58 <wxl> to make it easier for people to switch between flavors???

 19:58 <sudodus> Do you mean containing lubuntu-desktop?

 19:58 <tsimonq2> yes

 19:58 <tsimonq2> (to both of you)

 19:58 <gilir> I played a bit with snap

 19:58 <sudodus> where can we find how to make snaps?

 19:59 <tsimonq2> sudodus: http://snapcraft.io/

 19:59 <gilir> looks like a viable option for individual packages, but not really for an all desktop installation

 19:59 <wxl> i don't know, the idea of being able to switch flavors so quickly seems rather attractive

 19:59 <sudodus> Thanks, I'll look at it

 19:59 <tsimonq2> sudodus: we also have #snappy on freenode and a repo with a bunch of already snapped packakes: https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen

 19:59 <tsimonq2> *packages

 19:59 <gilir> it reminds me binary installation on windows ... copying all .dll in 1 folder ...

 19:59 <wxl> a common complaint i hear from users is how to get rid of all their non-lubuntu stuff when they install lubuntu-desktop

 20:00 <tsimonq2> I've been working on a little proof-of-concept: https://github.com/tsimonq2/lubuntu-distro-snaps

 20:01 <tsimonq2> gilir: so is your issue just the fact that it would be a snap of Lubuntu and not individual applications?

 20:02 <sudodus> o/ lynorian

 20:02 <tsimonq2> because if so, like I said, I would be willing to maintain it

 20:02 <gilir> tsimonq2, I can't really see the benefit of this

 20:03 <gilir> tsimonq2, if you make 1 snap by apps, the copy of all libraries in all snap wil be insane

 20:04 <tsimonq2> gilir: Snaps are fast, they are easy to update, they are secure, and like wxl said, it makes it easy to install Lubuntu and easily remove it if you wish

 20:04 <wxl> the primary pusher of snaps is ubuntu

 20:04 <gilir> tsimonq2, if you do 1 big snap wil all the packages, well, that will looks like a big massive horrible binary

 20:04 <tsimonq2> well I would be willing to test which is bigger, a Lubuntu snap or the lubuntu-desktop package installed

 20:04 <wxl> but people use ubuntu a little while and they think "wonder what the grass is like on the other side"

 20:05 <wxl> if they could just replace ubuntu-desktop with lubuntu-desktop that would be fantastic

 20:05 <gilir> tsimonq2, sounds like maketing to me, .deb can do a pretty good job

 20:06 <tsimonq2> gilir: yes Debian packages can do a good job, there are just specific advantages that wxl and I are looking at

 20:06 <tsimonq2> gilir: and like I said, I would be willing to maintain it

 20:06 <sudodus> Are there other differences except the packaging? I've heard about sandbox aspects of snaps.

 20:07 <tsimonq2> sudodus: it's similar to mounting an .iso image

 20:07 <tsimonq2> sudodus: it's read-only, you mount one image, and it's mounted as a loop device

 20:08 <gilir> tsimonq2, it's free software, do what you want :-) But cleary I don't have time to help on another packaging system (I saw some in the past years ...)

 20:08 <sudodus> So a read-only file system

 20:08 <tsimonq2> sudodus: yes, although it uses already existing filesystems, it doesn't roll it's own

 20:08 <tsimonq2> gilir: alright :)

 20:08 <gilir> Just saying, I tested them, I'm not so impress, and I don't think if useable for large scale of packages

 20:09 <tsimonq2> alright

 20:09 <tsimonq2> well we can talk more afterwards if you all want, but we're over time on our meeting

 20:09 <tsimonq2> thanks for coming everyone!

 20:09 <tsimonq2> #endmeeting



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