19:15 <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu 10 February 2016 19:00 UTC meeting 19:15 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 10 19:15:04 2016 UTC. The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. 19:15 <meetingology> 19:15 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick 19:15 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda is our agenda 19:15 <wxl> i know that tsimonq2 is anxious to get started on his topic so i'll let him go first 19:16 <wxl> #topic Test cases for Lubuntu 19:16 <tsimonq2> ooh yay 19:16 <tsimonq2> okay, so as you all know we have atest cases for Lubuntu on iso.qa.ubuntu.com and packages.qa.ubuntu.com 19:16 <tsimonq2> to generate the test cases they have to be manually written out 19:16 <wxl> not as we *all* know, but some of us, yes 19:17 <tsimonq2> wxl: well yeah :D 19:17 <tsimonq2> so anyeays 19:17 <wxl> for those that don't know, it's a qa tool for testing to ensure that our testing process is the same for every test 19:17 <tsimonq2> *anyways 19:17 <tsimonq2> (this is why wxl going first with QA would have been best XD) 19:18 <tsimonq2> anyways, so I wanted to bring this up because I have been recently been getting into writing test cases. Basically, if you are looking at the tracker and you feel that a test for an application would be nice, speak up, because I would like to benefit Lubuntu by making more test cases 19:19 <thsefdhefgsethfs> o/ 19:19 <tsimonq2> (sorry for the weird wording this is just on the spot) 19:19 <wxl> hai noah XD 19:19 <tsimonq2> thsefdhefgsethfs: question? XD 19:20 <tsimonq2> so anyways, I am asking the general Lubuntu people if more test cases are needed 19:20 <tsimonq2> and I will make them happen 19:21 * tsimonq2 is cringing at his weird wording XD 19:21 <redwolf> ... 19:21 <wxl> we definitely need LXQt testcases 19:21 <wxl> we should start with the main LXQt components and then add apps as we finally decide on them 19:21 <tsimonq2> I agree 19:21 <redwolf> +1 19:21 <tsimonq2> is there a list somewhere, wxl? 19:21 <wxl> git.lxde.org :) 19:22 <wxl> or you could just use the wiki page that talks about installing lxqt 19:22 <wxl> since it has a list of packages 19:22 <tsimonq2> wxl: for people who don't know, where's that? 19:22 <wxl> but one package may specify multiple deliverables so perhaps it'd be best to start with the upstream page i mentioned 19:22 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt 19:22 <tsimonq2> because I could get a fresh VM or something and use that to test 19:22 <tsimonq2> oh okay 19:23 <tsimonq2> wxl: what do you mean by multiple deliverables? 19:23 <wxl> multiple commands/programs/etc 19:23 <tsimonq2> ahh okay 19:24 <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm just curious as to what's LXDE and what's LXQt on that upstream link you sent me 19:25 <wxl> lxde components are at the bottom 19:25 <wxl> EVERYTHING is lxqt now 19:25 <tsimonq2> oic the LXDE-only packages are on the bottom with deprecated or whatever that is 19:25 <tsimonq2> gotcha 19:26 <wxl> they're not deprecated, but they're not the main focus of the lxde team 19:26 <tsimonq2> ahh makes sense 19:26 <wxl> it's been made clear to me that lxde will continue, albeit without the support of the entire lxde team 19:26 <redwolf> yes 19:26 <tsimonq2> so I'll get at least merge proposals for the LXQt test cases, maybe I might even create a folder in the testcase dir 19:26 <tsimonq2> wxl: makes sense :) 19:27 <wxl> keep the lubuntu-devel mailing list informed about progress 19:27 <wxl> you might want to make a blueprint to track progress 19:27 <tsimonq2> is there anywhere I should document the merge proposals/testcases I write for LXQt, sort of a todo list, or should I just crank it out on my own tools? 19:27 <tsimonq2> yeah I'll do that 19:28 <wxl> yep :) 19:28 <tsimonq2> nvm on the former 19:28 <tsimonq2> so I'll create a blueprint and I'll meail the lubuntu-devel list about that 19:28 <tsimonq2> also 19:28 <wxl> yep 19:29 <tsimonq2> because we still support LXDE even for the LTS, I was wondering if any should be updated 19:29 <tsimonq2> so, I'll email lubuntu-devel, but I was wondering if any need updating 19:29 <wxl> the testcases for lxde? 19:29 <tsimonq2> yes 19:29 <tsimonq2> on packages.qa.ubuntu.com 19:30 <wxl> none that i know of but it's worth auditing 19:30 <tsimonq2> so just keep your eyes out for any testcases that need improving, file a bug, and don't be afraid to assign me andor email me at tsimonq2@ubuntu.com 19:31 <tsimonq2> *and/or 19:31 <wxl> okie dokie 19:31 <wxl> thanks for your help with the testcases, tsimonq2 19:31 <tsimonq2> no problem 19:31 <tsimonq2> any questions/comments/concerns, let me know at tsimonq2@ubuntu.com 19:31 <tsimonq2> I'll email the list in a few hours 19:31 <wxl> ok i guess i'll start on my topic then unless people have questions or antyhing 19:31 * tsimonq2 is done with what he has to say 19:32 <wxl> #topic QA 19:32 <wxl> i'll keep this brief as i have emailed the lubuntu-devel list about it 19:32 <wxl> current focus should be on smoke testing trusty daily images 19:32 <wxl> the current plan (changed again) is to release on the 18th 19:33 <wxl> we should have images to test on the tuesday before, if not sooner 19:33 <wxl> until then, we should just run through the dailies and see if there are any big problems 19:33 <wxl> as per the past few point releases we have done, there will be no alternates and no amd64+mac image (though they were released with the original trusty) 19:34 <wxl> it would always be good to go through old bugs on the release notes and see if any of those bugs are fixed or not and if so mark them as such on the wiki 19:34 <tsimonq2> okay, *my* plan is to confirm bugs for the release notes on Monday night, then if we have images, test those (I would do this over the weekend but dad is taking us to the dells :D) 19:34 <wxl> i know tsimonq2 and i and others all have plans of doing so, but the more eyes on it the better 19:34 <tsimonq2> (sorry for interrupting :) ) 19:34 <wxl> np you just repeated me anyways :) 19:35 <tsimonq2> :D 19:35 <wxl> next focus will be on xenial daily images 19:35 <wxl> we are (i've confirmed this) doing releases back to back 19:35 <wxl> so the release of xenial beta 1 will be the week right after trusty 14.04.4 19:35 <wxl> so no rest for the wicked! keep on testing! 19:36 <tsimonq2> time providing, that will go on my Monday agenda as well 19:36 <tsimonq2> wxl: when can we expect images? 19:36 <wxl> same philosophy as with trusty applies: smoketest for obvious problems before the milestone, look for bugs that are fixed 19:36 <wxl> tsimonq2: releases are (usually) always thursday and we (usually) always have images the tuesday before 19:37 <wxl> so since we'll release beta1 on the 25th, the milestone images will be available on the 23rd 19:37 <wxl> this is covered in the testing wiki page 19:37 <wxl> which i admit is a bit long, but there's a lot of really valuable info there 19:38 <wxl> beyond that exploratory testing of lxqt and/or the raspberry pi2 images is always welcome 19:38 <wxl> i linked the lxqt page before 19:38 <tsimonq2> and a note, if you are looking to get into QA but don't know how, you can find us here :) 19:38 <tsimonq2> or the Testing page 19:38 <tsimonq2> (which wxl has yet to link :) ) 19:38 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing 19:39 <wxl> and here';s the raspberry pi page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RaspberryPi 19:39 <tsimonq2> we are always looking for more help, so if you haven't looked into QA, it's pretty easy :) 19:39 <wxl> i'd like to figure out a way to get an image for the original Raspberry Pi, but that's kind of way at the bottom of my list so don't anyone get too excited :) 19:39 <wxl> oh! 19:40 <redwolf> will be able to provide a download link for that machine? 19:40 <wxl> and just a reminder that we only release PPC images in LTS and both xenial and trusty are LTSs so if you have the hardware or know anyone that does test test test 19:40 <wxl> i still have machines to send out to people 19:40 * tsimonq2 notes that if he got a Raspberry Pi, this would be a lot quicker, and people could expect it sooner :) 19:40 * wxl hangs his head out in shame 19:40 <wxl> tsimonq2: well, there is some serious work involved, me thinks 19:41 <wxl> redwolf: that machine, meaning the original Pi? 19:41 <redwolf> no, the Pi2, adding the ISO download to the others 19:41 <tsimonq2> wxl: If it runs with Debian, I can figre it out :D 19:41 <tsimonq2> s/figre/figure/ 19:41 <wxl> redwolf: an iso is not relevant to the Pi2 unfortunately 19:41 <wxl> redwolf: but if you follow the link downloadable images are available 19:42 <wxl> although reading it now it's not clear 19:42 <redwolf> sorry, let me explain. the same way we provide at lubuntu.me (and still in lubuntu.net) downloads for all machines in several versions, another link to the Pi2 one 19:42 <redwolf> kinda official 19:42 <tsimonq2> =1 19:42 <wxl> yeah but only kinda official 19:42 <tsimonq2> s/=/+/ 19:42 <wxl> this is a community supported thing in a way beyond that of ppc 19:43 <wxl> which is to say we're not using canonical's build hardware to pump out the images 19:43 <redwolf> mhm 19:43 <wxl> so we have to link outside the normal canonical world 19:43 <wxl> but that's no problem. sure we can! 19:43 <redwolf> okies :) 19:43 * tsimonq2 would like that 19:44 <wxl> i think phillw is hosting the images outside of the torrents available on the ubuntu flavor maker page 19:44 <redwolf> aye 19:44 <wxl> it's here 19:44 <wxl> http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/wily/ 19:44 <tsimonq2> wxl: and if it's just a imple process and the source code is available, I might find a way to automate it, then we could throw it on a server :D 19:45 <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah i need to talk to flexiondotorg_ about it 19:45 <wxl> redwolf: you want to take care of linking it on the website? 19:45 <tsimonq2> wxl: but Canonical hosting would be awesome 19:45 <redwolf> I will, yes :) 19:45 <wxl> tsimonq2: it's NOT going to happen 19:45 <wxl> oh! 19:45 <tsimonq2> wxl: just curious, why not? 19:46 <wxl> #action tsimonq2 will make a blueprint for lxqt testcases 19:46 * meetingology tsimonq2 will make a blueprint for lxqt testcases 19:46 <wxl> #action wxl will edit the RaspberryPi page to include clear download links 19:46 * meetingology wxl will edit the RaspberryPi page to include clear download links 19:46 <wxl> #action redwolf will include the RaspberryPi download link(s) to the lubuntu.me website 19:46 * meetingology redwolf will include the RaspberryPi download link(s) to the lubuntu.me website 19:46 <redwolf> O.O! 19:46 <wxl> :) 19:47 <wxl> only one other thning i wanted to add is some new information that passed by the lubuntu-devel mailing list: we're now on the ubuntu downloads page! 19:47 <tsimonq2> #action Trusty needs testing in the upcoming week for the point release, tsimonq2 will definitely test 19:47 * meetingology Trusty needs testing in the upcoming week for the point release, tsimonq2 will definitely test 19:47 <tsimonq2> ysy 19:47 <tsimonq2> s/s/a/ 19:47 <wxl> see "ubuntu flavors" at http://www.ubuntu.com/download 19:47 <wxl> this takes you to http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours 19:48 <wxl> it's got kind of random ordering 19:48 <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2 will send an email to lubuntu-devel about the QA testcases 19:48 * meetingology tsimonq2 will send an email to lubuntu-devel about the QA testcases 19:48 * tsimonq2 is done with #action for now :) 19:48 <wxl> there's a bug to get that ordered 19:48 <wxl> most likely alphabetical 19:48 <wxl> that's this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1543783 19:48 <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1543783 in ubuntu-website-content "Order flavours on flavour download page alphabetically" [Undecided,New] 19:49 <wxl> i also filed one to get the right website linked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1543842 19:49 <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1543842 in ubuntu-website-content "change link to Lubuntu on flavor downloads page to lubuntu.me" [Undecided,Confirmed] 19:49 * tsimonq2 has to take off in < 7 minutes 19:49 <tsimonq2> oh okay 19:49 <wxl> i also checked around to make sure we don't still have any lubuntu.net references and couldn't find any so not sure what's up with that 19:49 <wxl> that's it for me 19:50 <wxl> #topic donation area 19:50 <wxl> with phillw not being here, i'm going to speak for him 19:50 <wxl> i know we're still waiting on the gosh darned paperwork 19:50 <phillw> o/ 19:50 <wxl> oh! 19:50 <wxl> hai phillw 19:50 <wxl> want to take over? 19:50 <tsimonq2> hey it's phillw! 19:50 <phillw> fed!!! 19:50 * wxl pats phillw's distended tummy :) 19:51 <phillw> I will get copies of paperwork emailed out this week. 19:51 <wxl> so if all goes well, maybe we'll have a donation area before the end of the month??? 19:52 <phillw> By Release time :) 19:52 <tsimonq2> if you don't mind me asking, what exactly is the purpose of the donation area? 19:52 <wxl> hehe yay! that would be great! 19:52 <tsimonq2> where do the funds go? 19:52 <tsimonq2> (my question is the latter) 19:52 <phillw> Someone needs to give Julien a dig, he's had his paperwork for a while after the 1st batch was lost in the post. 19:53 <wxl> tsimonq2: they'll go to various and sundry needs of the lubuntu team, since we don't directly get any community donations funding 19:53 <wxl> phillw: may i nominate you for that task? 19:53 <tsimonq2> wxl: example? 19:53 <wxl> tsimonq2: buying and shipping ppc machines to testers :) 19:54 <tsimonq2> wxl: orrrr shipping Raspberry Pis to eager testers? XD 19:54 <phillw> wxl: I'll look out for him, although redwolf tends to speak more often.... basically next one who sees him - remind him! 19:54 <wxl> tsimonq2: don't get too excited 19:54 <redwolf> ok 19:54 <wxl> #action redwolf phillw and/or wxl to have Julien send on his paperwork for the donation area 19:54 * meetingology redwolf phillw and/or wxl to have Julien send on his paperwork for the donation area 19:54 <wxl> anything else on the donation area? 19:55 * tsimonq2 remains silent 19:55 <phillw> I'll email redwolf our constitution, even though not launched, it can be news on lubuntu.me 19:55 * tsimonq2 has to jet, bye guys! 19:55 <wxl> that'd be fab! 19:55 <wxl> bai tsimonq2 thanks again 19:56 <redwolf> o/ tsimonq2 19:56 <wxl> #action phillw to give redwolf our constitution (re: donations) to get up on lubuntu.me 19:56 * meetingology phillw to give redwolf our constitution (re: donations) to get up on lubuntu.me 19:56 <redwolf> yes, we have a blog ;) 19:56 <wxl> hehe 19:56 <wxl> ok my co-worker is getting hungry so i'll move this along 19:56 <wxl> we don't have anyone to talk on lxqt so i'm going to just move on from that topic 19:57 <wxl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand nio is not around either 19:57 <phillw> http://phillw.net/LubuntuConstitution.txt 19:57 <phillw> redwolf: that okay for you? 19:58 <redwolf> yes! I'll re-format that 19:58 <redwolf> no need for signatures and dates and stuff publicly! 19:59 <phillw> redwolf: the sigs bit was for if bank needed it signing. They did not :P 19:59 <redwolf> okies. I will prepare a "nice-looking" page 20:00 <wxl> #topic anything else 20:00 <wxl> anything else anyone? 20:00 <phillw> redwolf: as it is news - remember s/has been opened/ is being opened/ :D 20:00 <wxl> artwork news redwolf ? 20:00 <redwolf> no 20:01 <wxl> yes there is 20:01 <wxl> :) 20:01 <redwolf> really? 20:01 <redwolf> please, refresh my memory 20:01 <wxl> isn't there some new stuff in the Lenny family? 20:01 <redwolf> oh yes!! I have a new practice designer :) 20:02 <wxl> well that 20:02 <wxl> but don't we have a borg???? 20:02 <wxl> and potatoes 20:02 <wxl> :) 20:02 <redwolf> yes, but everybody saw that :) (I think) 20:02 <wxl> oh 20:02 <wxl> well i didn't think they did 20:02 <wxl> not everyone subscribes to that page and it's not easy to find 20:03 <redwolf> phillw already told me we have to promote that wiki page a bit more 20:03 <wxl> give us the link then! 20:03 <redwolf> Lenny's? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Lenny 20:03 <wxl> yay Lennys! 20:04 <wxl> are we going to have a squirrel? 20:04 * wxl ducks 20:04 <phillw> we will need one... ish 20:04 <redwolf> of course ;) every release mascot 20:04 <wxl> well 20:04 <wxl> good luck :) 20:04 <wxl> and on that note, i'm ready to call it quits 20:04 <redwolf> ta! 20:04 <phillw> thanks for chairing :) 20:05 <wxl> thanks everyone! 20:05 <wxl> #endmeeting