19:08 <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu Monthly Meeting
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19:09 <wxl> welcome everyone to our regular monthly meeting
19:09 <wxl> please remember our meetings are every month on the 2nd wednesday @ 1900 utc, right here
19:09 <wxl> you can see the agenda here:
19:09 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
19:10 <wxl> so first thing's first
19:10 <wxl> #topic QA
19:10 <wxl> we were one of three flavors (along with mate and kylin) to release an alpha 1
19:10 <wxl> largely, it was successful with no real terrible showstoppers
19:10 <wxl> and i'm happy to report that we have managed to kill some of the bugs already
19:11 <wxl> as you can see on the release schedule:
19:11 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
19:11 <wxl> alpha 2 is january 28
19:11 <wxl> i.e. before our next meeting
19:11 <wxl> so if people want to test, plan on getting going on the 26th
19:12 <wxl> i also have some stuff to report regarding lxqt
19:12 <wxl> at least as it relates to testing (i'll leave the discussion of development to joern_s later)
19:12 <wxl> we now have a page for general stuff on lxqt:
19:12 <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
19:13 <wxl> instructions are now up on how to install it in a xenial image
19:13 <wxl> in fact, i took the raspberry pi2 wily image that flexiondotorg created with ubuntu pi flavor maker
19:13 <wxl> do-release-upgraded it to xenial
19:13 <wxl> and then installed lxqt
19:13 <wxl> here's some proof:
19:13 <wxl> https://twitter.com/wxl/status/686236582005837825
19:14 <joern_s> very nice!
19:14 <wxl> we're still at the point where we're doing exploratory testing, but we're filing bugs small and large against both the lubuntu-next project and the associated source package since they're in the repos
19:15 <wxl> meanwhile, i'm starting to do some work on getting testcases developer for the iso/package trackers with a little bit of help from tsimonq2alt
19:15 <wxl> if anyone wants in on that whole process, let me know, as there's a bunch of work to do and we could use some help
19:16 <wxl> i also tried to make it easier for everyone to find the blueprints related to answering the question of which apps we're going to use in lxqt
19:16 <wxl> but i assigned them to lubuntu-next which is not configured for blueprints so you can't see them :/
19:16 <wxl> i'm trying to get gilir to help out with that, so will report to the mailing list when they're ready and we can start the discussion in earnest
19:16 <tsimonq2alt> o/
19:16 <wxl> tsimonq2alt: question?
19:17 <tsimonq2alt> nope, just back, sorry for interrupting
19:17 <wxl> and that's about all i think i have for qa unless there are questions or comments from anyone?
19:17 <tsimonq2alt> and yes, I am helping a bit with getting the testcases done
19:18 <tsimonq2alt> just to decentralize the test cases for LXQty
19:18 <tsimonq2alt> *LXQt
19:18 <tsimonq2alt> also, when is Alpha 2, wxl?
19:18 <wxl> tsimonq2alt: i said it above (jan 28)
19:18 <teward> wxl: stupid question but did they solve the headaches of the tasksel thing on alt?  Not sure if they did for here or if that was an issue, but checking 'cause Server was affected (so potentially alts were too?)
19:18 <tsimonq2alt> whoops sorry :)
19:18 <phillw> teward: yes
19:19 <teward> wonderful, i had that on my list of QA tests but never had time :)
19:19 <teward> thank you.  *silences for remainder of time*
19:19 <wxl> np
19:19 <wxl> ok i'm going to move onto the next topic then
19:19 <wxl> #topic donation area
19:19 <wxl> off to you, phillw ?
19:20 <phillw> Forms received back from Rafael,
19:20 <phillw> The  French postal system lost Julien's en route to him... replacements have bee obtained and emailed
19:20 <phillw> The set for wxl were posted via email last friday
19:20 <wxl> but apparently par avion does not mean very fast XD
19:21 <phillw> As soon as all forms land safely we can proceed to have the account verified to be opened.
19:21 <tsimonq2alt> sorry for interjecting, but what is going on with the donations? do we have a paypal button on lubuntu.me or something?
19:21 <redwolf> that was an experiment, tsimonq2
19:21 <phillw> wxl: may have made a pit stop at the local armed standoff in your area :)
19:21 <tsimonq2alt> but my question is, what are we working towards in regards to donations?
19:21 <wxl> phillw: hahahah XD
19:22 <redwolf> :|
19:22 <wxl> tsimonq2alt: being able to have people donate specifically to lubuntu rather than just throwing things in the general community donations pot
19:22 <phillw> tsimonq2 it is in the rules of the group
19:22 <tsimonq2alt> wxl: well I have that, but what is going to be *produced*?
19:23 <wxl> tsimonq2alt: we haven't quite got that nailed down, but the hope is a little button or something on the website
19:23 <tsimonq2alt> ohh gotcha, thanks
19:23 <redwolf> tsimonq2, what I tried was using the API of the "PayPal donation button" to enable in lubuntu.me a donation system, just a link to the new account, when it's ready
19:23 * tsimonq2alt now remains silent
19:23 <phillw> tsimonq2 it will be progressed once the account is confirmed as able to be opened. Until that occurs, everything is conjecture. We have the rules written up and agreed upon.
19:23 <tsimonq2alt> gotcha phillw
19:24 <wxl> any other questions comments or concerns about the tracker?
19:24 <phillw> on a personal note ... I'm never, ever, ever going to set up a bank account where the trustees are in 4 different countries!
19:24 <tsimonq2alt> :D
19:25 <wxl> indeed, phillw, you need some serious kudos for all the work you did!
19:25 <tsimonq2alt> ^
19:25 <wxl> (and continue to do)
19:25 <joern_s> I second that
19:25 <tsimonq2alt> so thanks phillw
19:26 <wxl> and on that note, i think we'll kick it to the next topic
19:26 <sudodus> I can imagine all the difficulties - thanks Phill :-)
19:26 <tsimonq2alt> ^
19:26 <wxl> #topic LXQt
19:26 <wxl> off to you joern_s :)
19:26 <joern_s> okay
19:27 <joern_s> I'm now using LXQt as my day-to-day desktop (but not on L/Ubuntu, I'm using Siduction here)
19:27 <joern_s> it feels very smooth and doesn't makes me much headaches
19:28 <tsimonq2alt> o/
19:28 <joern_s> login is very slow, but this seems to be a problem of KWin or the plasma framework
19:28 <wxl> oh so you're using kwin eh? depends have certainly decreased. enough to suggest it for lubuntu?
19:30 <joern_s> well... not sure if a Pentium M or simmilar really can handle it. may depend on the default settings, like compositing
19:30 <joern_s> that should be evaluated
19:30 <joern_s> xfwm4 could be an alternative, too
19:31 <joern_s> a nice fact: it is easier to replace the window manager with LXQt, compared to LXDE
19:31 <wxl> joern_s: any reason not to just stick with openbox?
19:31 <wxl> it is? i thought it was fairly easy before (i use awesome mostly)
19:31 <joern_s> because we don't need to rely on Openbox for keyboard shortcuts
19:31 <wxl> ahhh
19:32 <tsimonq2alt> oh really?
19:32 <tsimonq2alt> no Openbox?
19:32 <tsimonq2alt> wow
19:32 <wxl> tsimonq2alt: well, it's worth discussing at least
19:32 <tsimonq2alt> yeah
19:32 <wxl> when we're making such dramatic changes, it might be good to explore what the alternatives are
19:32 <joern_s> there are reasons to stick with OB, sure
19:32 <wxl> indeed
19:32 <redwolf> we'd need to change our session settings heavily
19:32 <tsimonq2alt> and while I am jumping in here, I am currently running LXQt as well
19:32 <wxl> it's just good to look into
19:32 <joern_s> it is lightweight, it is rock solid
19:33 <tsimonq2alt> well a couple of default settings were headache-inducing for me
19:33 <tsimonq2alt> for example, the taskbar shows windows of other workspaces by default
19:33 <joern_s> but there are downsides like no window snapping ("Aero snap" for MS Windows users)
19:34 <tsimonq2alt> and the workspaces menu in the taskbar doesn't rearrange nicely when new workspaces were added, as well as it doesn't show the icon of the open window on the workspace, which as a really killer feature of LxDE
19:34 <tsimonq2alt> *LXDE
19:35 <wxl> yeah i don't like the look of the workspaces
19:35 <tsimonq2alt> agreed, and that is an essential part of my workflow
19:35 <joern_s> can't say much about that, I don't use workspaces at all
19:35 <redwolf> it's just a plugin. it might change.
19:36 <tsimonq2alt> I struggle when I am at school, because Chrome OS doesn't use workspaces
19:36 <wxl> might be a good thing to make a wishlist bug for and triage it upstream
19:36 <tsimonq2alt> so I would really like to see improvements with the workspaces in general
19:36 <tsimonq2alt> yeah prolly wxl
19:36 <joern_s> +1 wxl
19:36 <wxl> tsimonq2alt: ^
19:36 <tsimonq2alt> but at school(where I am) I don't have access to LP
19:37 <tsimonq2alt> I will do it in a few hours
19:37 <wxl> sounds good
19:37 <wxl> i would advise everyone to file bugs for anything they think of
19:37 <wxl> even feature requests
19:37 <tsimonq2alt> anyways otherwise LXQt is pretty solid
19:37 <tsimonq2alt> but it still has a few bugs
19:37 <wxl> we can triage them as such
19:37 <tsimonq2alt> like the icon bug
19:37 <tsimonq2alt> well yeah
19:37 <redwolf> O.O
19:37 <tsimonq2alt> +1 wxl
19:37 <wxl> well i'm thinking that icon bug is not a bug
19:38 <redwolf> nope. it's not.
19:38 <tsimonq2alt> well as long as it gets fixed :D
19:38 <redwolf> it's a package dependency bug
19:38 <redwolf> that's a priority, as the settings daemon doesn't only set the icon theme. we need that working.
19:38 <tsimonq2alt> but that's not the current point of this discussion
19:38 <tsimonq2alt> yeah
19:39 <wxl> right, yeah, we can discuss that on the bug itself XD
19:39 <tsimonq2alt> what I meant was fixing my problems XD
19:39 <tsimonq2alt> yep
19:39 <redwolf> it's "in progress"
19:39 <wxl> anything else new to tell, joern_s ?
19:39 <tsimonq2alt> (offtopic, please, someone fix the topic of the channel and capitalize "new mailing list!") :P
19:40 <redwolf> :|
19:40 <joern_s> nothing special if you aren't interested in technical stuff ;-)
19:40 <redwolf> yes, joern_s, anything else? ;)
19:40 <phillw> o/
19:40 <tsimonq2alt> ooh ooh tell us joern_s
19:40 <wxl> i'd be happy to hear technical stuff
19:40 <tsimonq2alt> yeah me too
19:40 <wxl> although redwolf might get scared :)
19:40 <tsimonq2alt> XD
19:41 <redwolf> yup, I get scared easily. specially regarding new apps or revamped ones
19:41 <tsimonq2alt> phillw: Did you want to jump in?
19:41 <tsimonq2alt> :D
19:41 <phillw> yeah
19:41 <joern_s> I'm currently working on a python module to access Appstream (where the new software center will get its data from)
19:41 <phillw> there's a new pcmanfm due out
19:41 <wxl> joern_s: so we'
19:41 <redwolf> yay, thanks, joern_s :)
19:41 <phillw> and work is being pushed for translations
19:41 <phillw> </end>
19:41 <wxl> ve decided on a new lsc rather than doing something different? (appgrid?)
19:41 <tsimonq2alt> hmm?
19:42 <joern_s> Appgrid could be used for 16.04 - not sure about the decisions. that would be gilir's part
19:42 <wxl> ok, but you're continuing working on a new lsc at least, joern_s ?
19:42 <redwolf> joern_s and I had some ideas about replacing LSC and creating something else, but not this century, I'm afraid
19:42 <joern_s> sure
19:42 <wxl> well great
19:43 <wxl> that's exciting to hear
19:43 <wxl> anything else?
19:43 <tsimonq2alt> ^
19:43 <joern_s> redwolf: I'm making some progress on it ;-)
19:43 * tsimonq2alt sits silently
19:43 <redwolf> :) joern_s, the PPA thingy will be really nice
19:43 <joern_s> +1 !
19:43 <redwolf> but I'll explain that in other moment
19:43 <redwolf> for everybody, the idea is making LSC handle everything
19:44 <redwolf> that's all (updates, upgrades, packages, PPA sources, etc)
19:44 <wxl> fantastic!
19:44 <tsimonq2alt> ooh
19:44 <tsimonq2alt> awesome
19:44 <joern_s> system tweaks, too - maybe
19:44 <tsimonq2alt> that would be pretty sweet
19:44 <tsimonq2alt> so if you can, do that too
19:44 <redwolf> and making PPAs work like some Android markets. using drag'n'drop maybe
19:44 <tsimonq2alt> 0_0 yeah!
19:44 <wxl> ooh
19:44 <joern_s> then the LSC would be an integral part of the user experience
19:45 <redwolf> but simply installing packages is a priority LOL
19:45 * tsimonq2alt agrees with that whole idea
19:45 <sudodus> so it would compete with / replace synaptic too?
19:45 <redwolf> it might sound stupid, but I think it's revolutionary in *buntu Linuxes
19:45 <joern_s> synaptic is a different story
19:45 <redwolf> it could totally replace it, for end users, yes
19:46 <redwolf> people wants a simple tool. and me too
19:46 <redwolf> but still powerful
19:46 <redwolf> we'll see in the future
19:46 * redwolf shuts up :|
19:46 <wxl> joern_s: we still going to have an "expert mode?"
19:47 <joern_s> I'm not sure about that, yet
19:48 <redwolf> mockup: http://rafaellaguna.net/wp-content/gallery/portfolio/rect4197.png
19:48 <wxl> i like the idea but i think we should re-brand it
19:48 <wxl> make it like "lubuntu-approved" or something :)
19:48 <tsimonq2alt> redwolf: that looks awesome :D
19:48 <tsimonq2alt> yeah +1 wxl
19:49 <wxl> instead of switching on and off it could switch between that and "all packages"
19:49 <joern_s> wxl: that will be plugin-based
19:49 <tsimonq2alt> but overall it looks stunning
19:49 <wxl> oooh plugins nice
19:49 <joern_s> if other flavours or respins want to use the new software center, they will be able to write a plugin and give it their own brand
19:49 <redwolf> several tools have been developed lately, look at Fedy for Fedora, or ElementaryOS's "Software". things are going that way
19:50 <wxl> love that idea
19:50 <tsimonq2alt> ^
19:50 <wxl> anything else??? :)
19:50 <redwolf> nope
19:50 <tsimonq2alt> n/a from me
19:51 <joern_s> for the people on FB (even if it is old): https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/permalink/966205850102902/
19:51 <wxl> lubuntu recommends. i like it
19:51 <wxl> well that being said we'll move onto the next topic
19:51 <redwolf> notice how "design nazi" recommendations are becoming real ;)
19:52 <redwolf> yes, sorry
19:52 <wxl> #topic mkusb
19:52 <wxl> off to you sudodus
19:52 <wxl> how's the progress to getting mkusb in debian????
19:53 <sudodus> well, I have not much to tell - I have been busy with real life recently, and have not tried hard enough to find someone who can hold my hand to get mkusb into debian
19:54 <wxl> sudodus: did you have any contact with melodie on that topic?
19:54 <tsimonq2alt> adiós guys, I'll check in later
19:55 <tsimonq2alt> o/
19:55 <sudodus> I have mailed her a couple of times, but no reply. I'll try again, and also with bodhi.zazen as recommended by Phill
19:55 <wxl> see yuh tsimonq2
19:56 <wxl> sudodus: hm that's strange. she's usually pretty responsive. if you have no luck with bodhi, let me know
19:56 <sudodus> What would be the delay from a working debian package to making it part of Lubuntu?
19:57 <wxl> well packages sync pretty quickly, sudodus, so it should be pretty minor
19:57 <joern_s> before feature freeze, there is nearly no delay
19:57 <wxl> we've had a small handful of google code-in students test it and their reports have all been positive
19:57 <sudodus> I will try more during the next few days
19:58 <wxl> that's a new feature i wouldn't feel bad about having in the lts if we could do some pointed testing on it
19:58 <wxl> feature freeze is feb 18
19:58 <wxl> so there's not a ton of time, sudodus
19:59 <wxl> that being said, unless you can get some immediate results, let's tentatively plan on 16.10
19:59 <sudodus> People at the Ubuntu Forums have tested it too (and made me add/change some features)
19:59 <phillw> joern_s: do you think agaida could assist sudodus in the hunt for debian sponsor?
19:59 <joern_s> a simple question doesn't hurt, huh?
19:59 <wxl> the biggest delay we're going to have with the whole process is getting in the debian repos. so that's the part we need to push hard on in the near term
20:00 <phillw> joern_s: you know her best :)
20:00 <joern_s> him! :D
20:00 <phillw> yes, I fell for that before!
20:00 <sudodus> Yes, I think getting mkusb into the debian repos in the one and only obstacle now
20:01 <joern_s> sudodus: you could ask him via agaida@siduction.org
20:01 <wxl> joern_s: or he hangs out at #lxde, too
20:02 <wxl> ok well that's abuot all we have on that topic i guess
20:02 <wxl> so last thing
20:02 <sudodus> OK, I can try, and tell me that you suggested that I should ask him
20:03 <wxl> #topic miscellany
20:03 <wxl> anyone else have questions, comments, concerns, issues, stories, pictures, praise, condemntation, etc? :)
20:03 <redwolf> .__.
20:04 <teward> there's always condemnations for various things - but none for here from me :)
20:04 <wxl> well if that's the case, i thank you all for your contributions to lubuntu!
20:05 <wxl> if any of you would like to help out more (or at all), let me know. we can find a place for you and your talents/interests
20:05 <redwolf> O.O
20:06 <wxl> and with that being said
20:06 <wxl> good night and farewell :)
20:06 <wxl> #endmeeting